Auto Key Wizard Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 its just common sense to roughen before stitching, its just easier... @ Hugh & Sarsden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sarsden_boy Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Ok the real reason i scour after stitching on some is becuase i wipe around the area i am going to stitch with a silicon sponge (quick shine) to reduce the friction between the rubber and the clamp on the goodyear. (im sure someone will come up with a reason why this is the wrong thing to do) . If i scoured before stitching then the heel block area may have silicon forming a barrier between the scoured rubber and the adhisive therfore causing an insufficient bond and an unhappy customer. Besides i like to do things my way and im sure you all have your own set ways of doing things. anymore lol ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 If you need to use silicone on rubber its because you have too much pressure on your clamps. no need to clamp them that tight that they can't move. I do alot of these units and never need to use silicone, but theres nothing wrong with using it you you feel the need...except you can't scour the heel base area properly after you've stitched them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Planet, I can't believe you stopped short of telling him HOW to adjust the pressure foot to allow easier stitching of rubber 'ave anuver go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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petercoulson Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 some goodyears cannot have the foot adjusted for height so it is best with commando soles and some rubber soles to run a lubricant such as silicone around the edge of the sole first. the way a goodyear works is that it has a positive locking foot system meaning that each stitch it does it locks so the foot doesnt lift when the awl comes up, it uses interlocking teeth to do this. the drawback is that it can go to the next tooth with each stitch meaning a lower locking position, when you stitch something soft like commando soles the foot can dig in and you get no feed, lubricant prevents this happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 On Commando Units and Fussells Mini Rib, I used to use wd40 first around the sole and with an adjustment tothe stitcher, no probs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 On Commando Units and Fussells Mini Rib, I used to use wd40 first around the sole and with an adjustment tothe stitcher, no probs You like ya WD40 don't ya Keef............. bet you use super glue aswell Nothing wrong with using lubricant though, my grandad always kept some, and he wasn't even a shoe repairer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Developed for the moon landings, good enough for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 On Commando Units and Fussells Mini Rib, I used to use wd40 first around the sole and with an adjustment tothe stitcher, no probs You like ya WD40 don't ya Keef............. bet you use super glue aswell GT85 with P.T.F.E for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 I stitch bare back.....................Doing a pair as we speak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Bareback & GT85 go well together. especially if its got Polytetrafluoroethylene additive to prevent friction and sores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 if its got Polytetrafluoroethylene additive to prevent friction and sores Wrong forum Hugh.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 if its got Polytetrafluoroethylene additive to prevent friction and sores Wrong forum Hugh.......... Oh no it aint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 if its got Polytetrafluoroethylene additive to prevent friction and sores Wrong forum Hugh.......... Oh no it aint Yes it is, you should be on MERCEDESBBW.COM forum like you were last week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 yes hugh, may be the right people but the wrong forum....................... think you need a plumbers forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Yes it is, you should be on MERCEDESBBW.COM forum like you were last week Sorry Tel200 I thought you were refering to motor vehicles at first. That must have taken some digging, pity you didn't try Google Images first under Big Bums, where it originated from does not concern me so long as it did not contain malaware or virus's. Hope you visit to the original site left your machine Aids Free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Planet, I can't believe you stopped short of telling him HOW to adjust the pressure foot to allow easier stitching of rubber 'ave anuver go A nice topic you started here sarsden_boy nice to see a day in life off, you are producing some very credible work, my thoughts on the silicon sponge are its unnecessary if the machine is adjusted correctly there should be NO drag on the awl, needle of guide. This is something I only learnt recently following a visit from Keith due to my out soler playing up. You can adjust the guide pressure as follows The height of the foot, can be adjusted for various thickness’ of materials & once adjusted should only sit in the grove, with no pressure on the material to be stitched, remember it’s the awl that does the work not the guide! To adjust undo the bolt on the right hand side. Ease the pressure of the adjust by lifting the guide. Move the adjuster to the desired position Tighten bolt. I always scour the heel seat, then stitch no need for silicon. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Lee, thats what this is all about, not all goodyears have that adjustment..... some goodyears cannot have the foot adjusted for height so it is best with commando soles and some rubber soles to run a lubricant such as silicone around the edge of the sole first. the way a goodyear works is that it has a positive locking foot system meaning that each stitch it does it locks so the foot doesnt lift when the awl comes up, it uses interlocking teeth to do this. the drawback is that it can go to the next tooth with each stitch meaning a lower locking position, when you stitch something soft like commando soles the foot can dig in and you get no feed, lubricant prevents this happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 To scour or not to scour, that is the question, whether tis nobler.........just personal choice innit!!!!!!no great deal. As for the foot adjuster, I always removed them from all machines I ever worked on, oh.. and I removed one of the 2 springs. Stems back from the Crepe era when we were stitching 50 pairs of crepe through soles onto welts to act as a middle before the top sole went on, forming brothel creepers. Found it much easier to stitch aroung stitch track commando toes using this method. could never see the point in using that top stop although ther must be some who swear by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkb Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Lee, is there a knife on your goodyear, for stitching groove? cant see one in the states our curved needle outstitchers are Landis. the oldesst was an F head. then G, K, L. The new E will stitch 7/8 inch my K will do 11/16 inch. bkb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 the goodyears in the uk dont use the foot with the groover, everything is either pre grooved or channelled. the only machine i know of that currently runs with a groover in the presser foot is a pedersen 317 rapid 2, makes a lovely job of it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Lee, is there a knife on your goodyear, for stitching groove? cant see one what Peter said! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkb Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 thank you Peter and Lee. i see why S. boy responded to my questions with ?? at first it pissed me off, but if you dont know what you aint got... bkb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 I still have a presser foot with a slitting knife for the Goodyear Peter, used it mid 60s but took it off because it was difficult to train folk on. Never got to put it back but, once you get used to it it does a good job providing you dont have any mishaps then you have cuts all around the toe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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