Bren Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Is this another instance of undermine the foundations if you dont like the building? No it isn't. Its a case of reading a post and thinking how ridiculas it is to base prices on a third of the original purchase price. Whats wrong with the proper way of quoting for a job. Materials, labour etc thats the proper way Yet you don't charge extra when you use your 'home made' PU's !!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 planet uk900 wrote: Hugh-Candoit (ENG) wrote: Is this another instance of undermine the foundations if you dont like the building? No it isn't. Its a case of reading a post and thinking how ridiculas it is to base prices on a third of the original purchase price. Whats wrong with the proper way of quoting for a job. Materials, labour etc thats the proper way Yet you don't charge extra when you use your 'home made' PU's !!?? pretty obvious to me, making the top piece and getting the work done properley, how many times we read on this forum of people not doing things up to standard. i too would make a 'proper' top piece and for the same money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Yet you don't charge extra when you use your 'home made' PU's !!?? Why should I charge my customer more, just because I did the job properly.. Does that mean you charge em less for grinding the pin down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter / Sweden Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Yet you don't charge extra when you use your 'home made' PU's !!?? Why should I charge my customer more, just because I did the job properly.. Does that mean you charge em less for grinding the pin down. Do a proper job and you can actually charge more than the average repairer. More money in your pocket for the same amount of work..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Yet you don't charge extra when you use your 'home made' PU's !!?? Why should I charge my customer more, just because I did the job properly.. Does that mean you charge em less for grinding the pin down. Do a proper job and you can actually charge more than the average repairer. More money in your pocket for the same amount of work..... Yes I agree, And I do, I was wandering if they charge less for none quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 In a lot of cases the higher price would equate to prime position and poor quality. I think it is about time for a Trade Logo that could be put into a window, or inside the shop, that tells the customer that shop had passed the standards required to obtain the Logo. Random tests could be carried out on all exhibitors of the Logo. It may just raise the standards. Just a thought but we are in need of a set of standards to work to. Most would pass with flying colours when having to put in the extra bit of effort and it would help ensure that standards did not slip. There is far to big a divide between the rubbish and the best. Just another thought but, suppose that a set selection of repairs were given points in order to get the award. The top shop in the region and the top shop nationally could be awardedsuper Status (similiar to a competition but on the whole range of repairs that would be needed to be examined for the Logo award). Totally different from a competition as such but still with the same results. A sort of ammalgamation of all the ideas for a new competition, but leaving the existing one as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 I agree with that hugh, BUT for any organisation to have someone out on the road full time (which it would take to keep the standards up) would be very costly and unless there's some benefit to the organisation it wouldn't reap any rewards for them. this perhaps is something our trade body the MSA should consider. I think a star system should be employed based on the services you provide & the quality of the end product. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Now we're getting somewere.....carry on. How about the society of master independant shoe repairers Run by this forum. Scoff ye not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted March 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 It would not need anyone covering the whole UK, just divide it into regions and one or two emminent repairers from each region could do the examinations given a list of objectives. Just a thought that could develop into something worthwhile. Involve the multiples and you already have the framework set up, although on quick reflection I think it may be better run on its own to give it more credibility within the trade as a whole. Is it all worth it, would trade increase? would any sponsor benefit from the investment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 i for one would contribute with a good group of people it would not cost that much, hugh could come out of retirement to run it! (not joking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 If this topic is to continue in this vein, I think it should be split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted March 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 i for one would contribute with a good group of people it would not cost that much, hugh could come out of retirement to run it! (not joking) Might just be able to be coerced, but as Planetuk900 says, the topic needs splitting as it has gone to anothe rtopic of competitions and as he himself started the tread oncompetions I leave it up to Planet if he feels that it could tag on to his topic, or the start of a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 One extra thought here guys, What happens when someone fails the test, how would they get the training needed to reach the standards required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Some very good idea's here guys. They have been looked at before and thrown out as being too costly to administrate. Training in our industry, maunly shoe repairs, is an issue that concerns me greatly, but solving it is not easy. I might add though, cost is not a reason to discount the idea! Carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 A Fresh launch of the MSA is now imminent, they have made great inroads into improving the association. As with discussions on competitions & associations in the past, its simply not workable for the forum as a collective to run such projects because of the costs involved, at this stage. However I take a lot of notes on the discussions we raise, and think that should either the competition or the trade association fail to deliver in the future that I have a workable solution for both. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted March 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 I think it may be worth puruing, being run alongside the existing competition and not in direct competition with it. Is there some guidance on what has been proposed in the past? Can we throw light upon the wording and structure? Could it be sponsored by the wholesalers en block rather than a single company? each contributing and each benefitting from the results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think the impetus should come from those that believe that it would compliment the current competition. In other words, come up with the plan, then send it to the commitee, or Lee, as he attends, for discussion. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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