Ecco Shoes

[alxfer]

Just had a reject stick on sole job come back for the second time. It was on a pair of Ecco shoes. The sole had come adrft at the waist, but the rest of the sole was firmly stuck. I passed the excuse that after a while, the sole material breaks down on these types of shoes.

Has anyone else had this problem, and am I right in this assessment? Is the problem surmountable? I used Renia rehagol primer and Colle de Cologne initially.

Thanks guys.

[Lee]

Personally if these are the flexible moulded type of unit I wouldn’t even offer a Stick-on-sole, I always do a 6mm through sole, no joins retains the flexibility of the shoe and you don’t have the problem you have encountered.

Agreed that these units do perish, which may be the problem you encountered. If and when bonding problems do occur I refund and re-bond FOC, but request the customer keep me informed as to how the glue holds up.

The only complaints I ever get are bonding issues, we are only as good as the best glue we can buy. it’s a bugger sometimes you do a blinding repair only to have it returned! I hope your customer wasn’t to disgruntled.

 

Lee

[keithm]

In my experiance it's the lack of flexibility that causes the problem, thats why it gives way at the waist.

 

In the past I have offered the same repair as Lee, through sole only. Unfortunately, the best material for the job, in my opinion of course, was Deelite. It is no longer available, because of a factory fire I believe, however, there are alternatives on the market but they're not as good.

 

I have recently undertaken to source an alternative to Deelite just to satisfy those I know in the trade that used Deelite a lot. I'm hoping to find something soon.

 

BTW Lee, I will give you a bag of goodies at the Exhibition that I picked up on a business trip to Paris recently which hopefully you and those members attending might find them interesting. I'll give you some backround the night before

 

Keith

[kobblers]

if it's just the waist alxfer then personally i'd apply a very fine layer of quickfix glue to that area before priming and glueing.

 

we've had this problem too and the method i use works perfectly every time now.

[Gingerbas]

have you tried using Renia ortec. Or you could repair it doing a thru sole?

[ironplanet uk900]

I use rehagol primer, & Bostic PA50/50E. Along with a flexable sole. The only problem we have is getting them off when they return.

 

You must use the correct materials for each job, Two materials with different densitys & different flexabilities aint going to stick together for long, particularly at the waist.

 

There are some horrible materials out there though

[kobblers]

that rehagol and 5050 are a perfect combination

'tis the way we do nearly all of 'em.

[alxfer]

Top advice guys, through soles it is then. Thanks

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

if it's just the waist alxfer then personally i'd apply a very fine layer of quickfix glue to that area before priming and glueing.

we've had this problem too and the method i use works perfectly every time now.

 

Holly Catfish

So it's you who sticks soles on with Cyanoacrylate.

 

Another one gets added to my list for Machine gunning

[ironplanet uk900]

As I said in a previous post: The right Primer, Right cement, And just as important the right materials for the job in hand.

 

If you still have problems, your in the wrong trade

[kobblers]

don't be an arse hugh, i use a small amount, very finely applied that does the job perfectly as a pre-undercoat, now why would you be so bothered about something that works?

 

reminds me of a nurse who discovered the best way to rehabilitate polio patients who was derided by all of the doctors of the time because her method wasn't 'the done way'. years later they all had to eat humble pie when it turned out that her method was perfectly acceptable and did the trick, better than a alot of the ways they tried after all.

 

now stop being an old stick in the mud and gizza kiss

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

don't be an arse hugh, i use a small amount, very finely applied that does the job perfectly as a pre-undercoat, now why would you be so bothered about something that works?

now stop being an old stick in the mud and gizza kiss

 

You can stick Bag Handles, Kicker soles, Zips, Toes or whatever takes yer fancy, it works. That company promoting that stuff as ageneral purpose adhesive have their own interests at heart, a heart that I would gladly rip out given half a chance. Never, in the space of human conflict has so much been lost by so few, or words to that effect.

 

Superglue put onto anything that bends to the extent of a shoe, or put onto porous leather is a no go area as far as I'm concerned. god help you if that company supplying the stuff starts to give advice on an open forum.

 

There is a good use for superglue and that is on anything rigid or semi-rigid if using the black variety. Semi rigid is not applicable to a shoe sole.

 

I really could not count how many shoes and bags and other leather goods i have seen ruined by the indescriminate use of that stuff.

 

As for a Kiss, sure, no probs, just hope you like Cold Sores and split lips.

(Is superglue safe to use on split lips? if it is dont tell quickfix or they will put it on their leaflets) (hope the wife dont read this).

[kobblers]

i agree with you on the fact that quickfix advertise for totally unsuitable purposes, i don't use it on leather anyway, it burns and it doesn't work!!!

 

i use a small strip on some ecco waists about 1/8 of an inch wide, that isn't enough for it to be forced apart by the waist bending if it did, i'd be getting 'em all back as it is, i've never had one back that i can recall.

[ironplanet uk900]

I didn't know Hugh was an arse

I though everyone was wrong

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

I didn't know Hugh was an arse

I though everyone was wrong

 

Neh lad they're all right, course i'm an arse, might soon to be a pain in it.

[ironplanet uk900]

I didn't know Hugh was an arse

I though everyone was wrong

 

Neh lad they're all right, course i'm an arse, might soon to be a pain in it.

 

Why are you gay aswell

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

Always a happy chappie.