KABA 20 Keys

[exp121260]

Hi all 

Are there any blanks for these KABA keys or must be ordered directly from Kaba? 

Thanks in advance! 

[grahamparker]

I always order KABA 20 keys through Aldridge specials.

I could cut myself using the Triax but they are not always straight forward and one i cut jammed in a lock on a BT van so i only get them through Aldridges now.

[exp121260]

Thanks Graham for your relpy. 

Do I have to call Aldridges to put a special order or can this be done on their website ? 

[Growster]

Special order, may need a letter of authorisation. The little sliver missing at the tip of the key makes this blank a hard to get one (for me at least).

I'd love to know a source for them, as these keys can be decoded and made in house.

[grahamparker]

26 minutes ago, exp121260 said:

Thanks Graham for your relpy. 

Do I have to call Aldridges to put a special order or can this be done on their website ? 

Email to specials dept with a letter of authoriastion.

[rmarsters]

Pretty sure I've decoded and cut these on the Triax using JMA KA2 blanks

[Growster]

44 minutes ago, rmarsters said:

Pretty sure I've decoded and cut these on the Triax using JMA KA2 blanks

It's that little sliver cut off the tip of the key that is a spanner in the works. Apart from that they can be decoded (when you're totally sober).

[nxasdf]

KA2 blanks are only really for Kaba 8 keys, the Kaba 20 blanks have a ramp on the tip of the key, they can be left- or right-sided ramps. There are pins either side in the lock, but one side has pointed pins, the other have flat pins which need that ramp. You can create that ramp on the tip but boy is it frustrating, got to get it square otherwise the pins just dig into it, and polish it up, got to get it just right depth or it won't work, and correct slope angle otherwise it eats into the last key cut. This is why Kaba 8 blanks don't fit. If you absolutely must, you can do it, but I wouldn't offer it as a service.

Edited July 1, 2023 by nxasdf

[Lock Stock]

On 7/1/2023 at 1:24 PM, nxasdf said:

KA2 blanks are only really for Kaba 8 keys, the Kaba 20 blanks have a ramp on the tip of the key, they can be left- or right-sided ramps. There are pins either side in the lock, but one side has pointed pins, the other have flat pins which need that ramp. You can create that ramp on the tip but boy is it frustrating, got to get it square otherwise the pins just dig into it, and polish it up, got to get it just right depth or it won't work, and correct slope angle otherwise it eats into the last key cut. This is why Kaba 8 blanks don't fit. If you absolutely must, you can do it, but I wouldn't offer it as a service.

Sorry but that’s not correct, KA2 are Kaba 20 keys but the original Kaba 20. They have made changes to the cylinders to stop those blanks working. Kaba Then or just before brought out Silca to make sure they are still the only ones who cut the keys for there most successfully cylinder.

Silca will never admit it but they are not aloud to do another Kaba 20 card or change the blanks.  

[Growster]

15 hours ago, Lock Stock said:

Sorry but that’s not correct, KA2 are Kaba 20 keys but the original Kaba 20. They have made changes to the cylinders to stop those blanks working. Kaba Then or just before brought out Silca to make sure they are still the only ones who cut the keys for there most successfully cylinder.

Silca will never admit it but they are not aloud to do another Kaba 20 card or change the blanks.  

Lol, JMA might give this blank a go then :-). Is the cutting detail different for the slivered blanks?

[Lock Stock]

You can tell by the tip, older style is shaped so equal on the nose the newer version is more sloped on each side. You can adjust but it’s just agg and inconsistent personally for the cost of the blanks not worth the risk. Got a few that worked after adapting the tips but then still had a few that didn’t.
 

if you give them a normal blank or miss cut key blank and see if it goes in. If it goes in older style fine to cut, if it doesn’t just order direct.