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I spoke to doors4security today I had a good chat and they told me that these cylinders were designed so no extra keys can be copied. However I had a good customer who needed 5 extra keys cutting so allowed me to cut a mixed variety of blanks to try. I used the HD hooply, silca wj1r, jma AP4d, HD APE4 and HPLY1 (x2) and the only key that went in AND works are the HPLY1 key. So for future reference this is the only key I will use for these locks. Thought I would pass this on to everyone else who comes across these.

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