cobblers.keys Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 Customer came in wanting this key copied. As it says do not duplicate/patented I am sure I can't do it as I only have general mul-t-lock keys in stock. The tenant has been sent to me by the lettings agent that I cut keys for. Who would be able to do this key? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EST Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 and copy with Silca Matrix, RST Mustang or ... ofcourse you need key blanks also (Mul-T-Lock 115) https://topkey.lt/key-blanks/1760-key-blank-mul-t-lock-profile-115s.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobblers.keys Posted March 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) Thanks, So I can cut this key with both this v tracer and 100° cutter on my Mustang Edited March 7, 2023 by cobblers.keys Add text Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobblers.keys Posted March 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 Can I? Also is there a UK supplier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaky Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 Multloc interactive blanks are available in the uk but most places only sell the newer ones which have the warding on the opposite side. First search result i got on google for the old type was https://ne[Website Removed]/product/mul-t-lock-interactive-blank/ they seem a bit expensive and I don't know the company but a trade account could be cheaper. cobblers.keys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmarsters Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 I thought that you were meant to still only be copied by Mul T Lock dealers with the supplied card. Not 100% sure though, can't remember if these are still under restriction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaky Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 There is an age old argument of does one copy keys that say restricted on them, even ones that you know haven't been an active keyway for years. I don't feel mtl interactive fall into the restricted category anyway, I don't recall their keys saying restricted on them. If a manufacturer say you shouldn't copy their keys does it mean it's key cutting law? I don't think so, most manufacturers will use their own arguments as to why you using a non genuine key has voided their warranty but as far as the key cutting police goes if you can get a key blank why shouldn't you help your customer out and cut a key. The customer can and will just move onto the next shop that will cut one and give them theur money instead and tell everyone else youre no good.. rmarsters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaky Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) I've probably missed somthing in the rules somewhere but how come the website in my post has been removed when other threads contain links to websites unedited? Are we not allowed to link websites at all? Just asking so I don't make a mistake again. Edit, I realise it's done by the system but not sure how other posts don't get changed. At least I know for future. Edited March 8, 2023 by Peaky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EST Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 should you believe in "DO NOT DUPLICATE" keys? https://sherlocks-nyc.com/blog/should-you-believe-in-do-not-duplicate-keys.html Mike at Vauxhall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaky Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 Ah yes, do not duplicate, I was very careful to write restricted rather than do not duplicate. A 'key cutter' where I used to live stamps do not duplicate on every key they sell. EST and Mike at Vauxhall 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growster Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 The ones with the round magnets are out of patent, the ones with the oval magnet need the card to be shown before cutting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaky Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 If you have blanks and are not a mtl dealer surely there's no one stopping you cutting anything card or not. 'If' being the operative word of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the locksmith Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 MTL will prosecute people cutting patented keys without a card being present. Last one i heard of got done for £10K plus the cost of re-doing the complete suite that had been compromised. Total cost in excess of £50K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Dave the locksmith said: MTL will prosecute people cutting patented keys without a card being present. Last one i heard of got done for £10K plus the cost of re-doing the complete suite that had been compromised. Total cost in excess of £50K Do you have actual evidence of this Dave, Court case date which court etc. I have been led to believe this story is an urban myth and would like to actually see proof it actually happened. Flash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaky Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) I've been a locksmith over 20 years and am very active on most of the forums and never heard of any company ever even taking someone to court over cutting a key not alone winning a court case. Doesn't mean it's not happened but I'm very sceptical and the numbers quoted are way way inflated in my opinion even if it did happen. Edit: There is a suit filed in the US 2 years ago over intellectual ownership but it's going nowhere fast and it was applied to be thrown out. $400 for trademark infringement https://unicourt.com/case/pc-db5-mul-t-lock-usa-inc-et-al-v-united-hardware-supply-inc-et-al-936590#case-details Another one in 2017 that is against 9 companies but is only listed as other and has no definition for the grounds of the lawsuit. From what I can see it was thrown out before it got very far. https://unicourt.com/case/rc-js1-mul-t-lock-usa-inc-v-access-locksmith-security-inc-119918 I can not find anything else other than some very old (over 15 years) trademark infringements that didn't get past the first contact. I think someone cutting a key wouldn't get past the lawers, they can't seem to get trademark, copyright or patent law suits to stick so I'm doubtful they would even send a letter. Only my opinion though. Edited March 10, 2023 by Peaky Flash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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