Toorex Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 Afternoon everyone, I got this lock from an unknown motorscooter in and I'm supposed to make a few keys for it. The different wafers are a specific colour so I'm hoping someone can help me find the key code this way. The order of the wafers (from key entrance to end of lock) is bronze-brass-black-bronze-brass coloured. The picture with a key inside is a Silca KYM1P blank. Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 As long as all the wafers push out past the body then cut on your machine by hand using the depth setting to make the deeper cuts where needed. Look down the side of the wafers so you can tell how wide the cut needs to be. It is a very very easy and i do it often when we get some of the cheap and cheerful locks that are fitted to scooters/mopeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowardK Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 Like grahamparker says, insert a proper a key blank and the wafers will tell the tale, deep cut will stick out the farthest, call it a 3 depth, shallowest will be flush or slightly above plug, call it a 0 or 1 depth, and your other will be in between so is a 2 depth, It is possible there are more depths used in the system such as a 4 and or 5 depth so... assuming it is a proper width key blank to use, Remove wafers in order, insert key blank, insert a probe into each wafer chamber and scratch key blank, this will give you your spacing, remove key blank, mark flat of blank with fine magic marker at each scratch so you can tell where each space is if you insert it in to a code machine to cut your depths, Remove key blank, reinsert wafers in order, reinsert key blank and estimate depths, hand file or use code machine to take the depths down 15 thousands (or mm equivalent) at a time till wafers are flush with plug surface, if you have plug holders of various diameters or tubing of the proper inside diameter you can test you work as you go *** if the key blank is brass alloy, remove the nickle plating so the brass shows, no need to remove wafers then, just insert key blank, and rock wafers on to blank and it will leave marks on the brass for your spacing*** ...And lets hope they did not loose the retainer wafer & spring... Some Yamaha are #1 cut = Bronze/copper #2 cut = Black #3 cut = Standard brass/gold Some Kymco are #1 cut = gold # 2&3 = silver Some Honda are # 1&3 = brass # 2 = silver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowardK Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 Under the assumption what you have is not an ignition lock plug, but is operated by the ignition key or part of the ignition key those 5 cuts may not operate the ignition, as the ignition may be 6, 7 or 8 cuts, bear with me as most folks do not realize that most auxiliary locks only use part of the key cuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EST Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 I think that KYM is not right key Dave the locksmith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 You can use Silca HON31 and 31R for most Kymco scooters. Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, kobblers said: You can use Silca HON31 and 31R for most Kymco scooters. Rick. You can Rick, but Kymco blanks fit better especially if your making a key to fit. kobblers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EST Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 14 hours ago, EST said: I think that KYM is not right key key is not straight inside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 That is not a Kymco plug thats why the key is not straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EST Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 maybe ... Silca CG1P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 If it's an Invacare, Leo, Comet or Orion scooter then this is the correct key for it. If you need one, I'll quite happily send one. Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EST Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 even without groove it's going in and working (also unknown motorscooter) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toorex Posted June 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 Thanks for all the advice, this really helped! Pic of the current situation down below, it looks pretty good to me. I 'cheated' and took a car key that was already the correct depth for the bronze coloured wafers, only had to find out the other 3. On 6/19/2021 at 4:33 PM, HowardK said: Some Yamaha are #1 cut = Bronze/copper #2 cut = Black #3 cut = Standard brass/gold This seemed to be the case. On 6/22/2021 at 5:14 PM, kobblers said: If it's an Invacare, Leo, Comet or Orion scooter then this is the correct key for it. If you need one, I'll quite happily send one. Rick. Those cuts look similar but there was one more cut near the tip of the key. I'll gladly accept a key though, will come in handy in the future for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Toorex said: I 'cheated' and took a car key that was already the correct depth Not cheating at all whatever helps to make the job easier. Toorex 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 21 hours ago, Toorex said: Thanks for all the advice, this really helped! Pic of the current situation down below, it looks pretty good to me. I 'cheated' and took a car key that was already the correct depth for the bronze coloured wafers, only had to find out the other 3. This seemed to be the case. Those cuts look similar but there was one more cut near the tip of the key. I'll gladly accept a key though, will come in handy in the future for sure. Send me yer addy and I'll pop one in the post for you. Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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