Mike at Vauxhall Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 The Brexit farce just reinforces the truth that because the EU has infiltrated every aspect of the legislature, economy and general infrastructure of a so called sovereign country, it is struggling to break free. I voted leave in 2016, I would vote leave no deal tomorrow. Remainers have said so much about Brexit lies, when every one of their doom and gloom predictions have all been hot air. grahamparker, kobblers and Auto Key Wizard 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 8 hours ago, GLENGRAVING said: But a hung parliament (not unlikely with lib dems strong stance, brexit party taking Cons votes etc) would just make matters worse It's why I think a second referendum makes more sense. don't agree... another referendum would just play into the spoilers hands. We need to get out of there imo kobblers and grahamparker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLENGRAVING Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, ironplanet uk900 said: don't agree... another referendum would just play into the spoilers hands. Not if your side won. Can do a 3 option referendum without splitting the 'leave' vote. I'd be overjoyed with a clearer, more informed/nuanced leave result. grahamparker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 A referendum with a simple in or out choice can only have three possible results, A, a clear majority to remain, B, a clear majority to leave, or, ( most likely) a tight result either way, back to square one. A referendum with multiple choice, (most likely) we remain in E.U. the politicians have got their own way. They have no intention of ever leaving the E.U. kobblers and grahamparker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLENGRAVING Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Flash said: A referendum with multiple choice, (most likely) we remain in E.U. the politicians have got their own way. They have no intention of ever leaving the E.U. I don't see why. If we use a single-transferable-vote, I see it as being pretty likely that we will still leave the EU, although it will give a real indication at last as to whether to go with a specified treaty (Boris' deal) or to go with no deal. STP-voting means you can indicate your order of preference for as many options as you like (I vaguely recall doing this for some election). You mark *1* on your most preferred option, you can mark *2* on your second most preferred option. You can vote *1* on clean break brexit and *2* on boris compromise. or you can not indicate a *2*, that's up to you. Personally, I'd probably vote *1* on remain and *2* on clean break brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 11 hours ago, cowers lane 583 said: I voted leave in 2016, I would vote leave no deal tomorrow I voted leave in 2016, I would vote leave 'No Deal' still My son voted stay, but now wants to leave, I think many more will do the same too, now they understand more in last 3 years. kobblers, Mike at Vauxhall and Dave the locksmith 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLENGRAVING Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 Then you've no reason to fear a revisit of the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 5 hours ago, GLENGRAVING said: Then you've no reason to fear a revisit of the question Oh yes we have, do you think the option to leave without ANY deal will be an option ?. Why then do we need to vote again ? it will be rigged without any option of leave without a deal. We have already voted and not 1 person i have spoken to expected any "DEAL" we just want rid of european control. Auto Key Wizard, kobblers and Dave the locksmith 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 Any further referendum with stay as an option makes no sense. Say there is and the vote was to stay, why should this be accepted? Should we have a 3rd vote? Yes you could have options of deal/no deal for leave but stay is stay, you won't have options of different deals for staying because Europe have no incentive to change the status quo. We see so many demos about staying but what happens when we don't leave? kobblers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patsy Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 Leave it up to Noel Edmonds and the banker Mike at Vauxhall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Patsy said: Leave it up to Noel Edmonds and the banker If they had it would be done by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 It does not help that the Biased Broadcasting Corporation are fully behind remain and a no deal option. kobblers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 So the ref should be deal or no deal thats the crux of it all why the elongated bluster from both sides? its not about anything you or i voted for its about all "their" money and keeping us all under their boot heel I hope everyone gets what they want out of brexit carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, hibsjo(SCO) said: So the ref should be deal or no deal thats the crux of it all why the elongated bluster from both sides? its not about anything you or i voted for its about all "their" money and keeping us all under their boot heel I hope everyone gets what they want out of brexit carry on! There is only 1 solution and Dallas did it years ago. It was all just a bad dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, hibsjo(SCO) said: So the ref should be deal or no deal Surely that's where we are now? Can we believe the politicians would respect this if it doesn't go the way they want. The ref was in or out, the vote was out and they haven't respected this. kobblers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, grahamparker said: There is only 1 solution and Dallas did it years ago. It was all just a bad dream. Interesting as I remember that's when we had to do customs dockets and VAT for European sales as there was no deal in place at the time. kobblers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLENGRAVING Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 4 hours ago, grahamparker said: Oh yes we have, do you think the option to leave without ANY deal will be an option ?. Yes, that's what I've been saying (Not if labor get into power of course, but there's no risk of that happening.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkybob Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 We already voted leave so the question is deal or no deal. With the way the political parties are lining up a GE is just another re-run of the ref by another name. The EU have history of re- running voting untill they get what they want, or just ignoring the result, they are not a democracy which is one of the reasons I voted leave, and would again. Another reason, why are we paying 650 muppets in parliment to make laws and another few hundreds in the EU to do the same job sounds like expensive duplication to me. grahamparker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 i just hope in a general election most of them lose their jobs , in history we have had bad politicians , but never have i witnessed such incompetence and self serving . the general election will answer the question , if the country houses more remianers then the liberals will win , for all those that dont have a clue what they want then best vote labour as nor do they , all leavers will vote for tory or brexit party depending whether they want a deal or no deal , my guess is that it will be a hung parliment. i do agree , if theres a public vote again , then it should contain leave with boris deal or leave with no deal , in or out was already voted on , remain should not be on the paper , its ludicrous to remove no deal from the paper. great britain should be renamed shambles britain , ive seen more grown up debate in a primary classroom than in the house of commons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at Vauxhall Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 On a side note, we had a local referendum about building project in our borough. My stupid, immigrant, (he's stupid and an immigrant, he's not stupid because he's an immigrant.) Voted yes, he thought it was about Brexit and he wants to leave EU. As you can see no mention of keywords appear on the polling card. Words fail me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 I voted to leave but the treachery going on at Westminster has me doubting that will now happen, So I am brushing up on my Arabic and Polish. I feel like a American Red Indian hopelessly seeing my Country given to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 20 hours ago, GLENGRAVING said: I don't see why. If we use a single-transferable-vote, I see it as being pretty likely that we will still leave the EU, although it will give a real indication at last as to whether to go with a specified treaty (Boris' deal) or to go with no deal. STP-voting means you can indicate your order of preference for as many options as you like (I vaguely recall doing this for some election). You mark *1* on your most preferred option, you can mark *2* on your second most preferred option. You can vote *1* on clean break brexit and *2* on boris compromise. or you can not indicate a *2*, that's up to you. Personally, I'd probably vote *1* on remain and *2* on clean break brexit. The options on a second referendum vote will be designed to split the leave voters to enable the remainers to win, so we stay in E.U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 Just now, Flash said: The options on a second referendum vote will be designed to split the leave voters to enable the remainers to win, so we stay in E.U. But stay can't be an option, we've had that vote. If stay is and wins then why shouldn't we have a 3rd referendum?4th?5th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, petercoulson said: But stay can't be an option, we've had that vote. If stay is and wins then why shouldn't we have a 3rd referendum?4th?5th? Because the choice is not up to the public at large, once the powers that be have the result they want we will remain in E.U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Flash said: Because the choice is not up to the public at large, once the powers that be have the result they want we will remain in E.U. They're doing that without a 2nd referendum though...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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