Flash Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 With all the latest info on brexit I was just wondering how many of us have changed our mind in the last few months. All the scaremongering, good deal, bad deal, no deal, if my memory is correct I seem to think most of us voted out. Has anyone had a change of mind? or is the consenses of opinion still out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at Vauxhall Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 I voted out, would vote out tomorrow. Brexit is far more difficult than I expected, because the European union has been well and truly incorporated into our infrastructure, far more than I imagined. What is meant to be a trading relationship was gradually turning into a political union. I've no doubt it would have got worse . I hope and expect Europe and the UK to have a healthy and strong relationship in the future. kobblers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da miller Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 voted to stay so looks like the break up of the uk as we know will happen as well im not for independence in scotland but leaving eu will change alot of peoples minds up north Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShoes Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 I’m surprised if most of you voted to leave considering almost all the materials in this trade are imported from Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da miller Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 when one country can out vote the other 3 on a straight yes no vote something is wrong GLENGRAVING 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at Vauxhall Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) England and wales voted out as a majority, Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to stay in as a majority. I would just add I am surprised that a fairly slim 52/48% majority vote, is leading to a break from the EU. I'd thought they would have wanted a much clearer mandate to do it. Edited August 21, 2018 by cowers lane 583 Additional text SteelCityShoes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x minit uk Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 Out . kobblers and keithm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 Out and Stay out. keithm, Mike at Vauxhall, kobblers and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 8 hours ago, cowers lane 583 said: England and wales voted out as a majority, Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to stay in as a majority. I would just add I am surprised that a fairly slim 52/48% majority vote, is leading to a break from the EU. I'd thought they would have wanted a much clearer mandate to do it. I would let them go there own way as well if that is what they want and see how long they last without the handouts they get. kobblers, Poole Key Locksmiths Ltd and keithm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkybob Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 I voted in in the 70s when it was a common market, and voted out when it was a political monster. I would still vote out. You cannot put a price on freedom. I think if we manage to extract ourselves from europe with out too much damage then that would start a mass leaving, and poossibly a new common market as leaving countrys join with us. The fedralists in europe fear a return to a common market ( or a loss of there power and money ) and will do all they can to damage us, to prevent others following. keithm, kobblers and Mike at Vauxhall 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 18 hours ago, da miller said: when one country can out vote the other 3 on a straight yes no vote something is wrong I understand your point but it was an exercise for the whole of the UK, not for any particular country. I voted out but if I was kept in because England and Wales had decided to stay in whilst Scotland and Northern Ireland wanted to leave then I'd just have to accept that that's how it is when you vote as a union. It may not seem fair but the alternatives are truly horrible to consider. Re the Scottish Independence, I'm half -Scottish and I'm ambivalent on the issue although my Scottish family all want to stay and cannot stand the SNP, neither can my circle of Scottish friends. Anyway, folks, this is a highly emotive and contentious issue - please try and keep it civil. If you can't rein it in, DON'T comment. Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShoes Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 By the time any potential benefits arise, most of the people who voted out won’t be around to see them. Over half of our trade is with Europe so we either leave and stay in the single market in which case we have to follow all the rules and lose our voting power. Or we leave entirely, face lower exports, higher prices and relatively lower wages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 Out sooner the better for me. Gets rid of god knows how many tiers of hangers on.[politicians] Poole Key Locksmiths Ltd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 leave or stay , i just wish they would make their minds up and get on with it . europe will not give them a good deal as dont want us leaving , so any deal will put us in a poorer position than before , so they need to decide , in or out and deal with it , its become a complete farce and has exposed just how useless our politicians actually are keithm, kobblers and Michael 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted August 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 So it appears no-one has actualy changed their minds, the outers are still outers and the inners are still inners, very strange after all the pressure put on people for a second referendum. Mike at Vauxhall and kobblers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShoes Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 5 hours ago, rapidlocks said: leave or stay , i just wish they would make their minds up and get on with it . europe will not give them a good deal as dont want us leaving , so any deal will put us in a poorer position than before , so they need to decide , in or out and deal with it , its become a complete farce and has exposed just how useless our politicians actually are Because none of them actually expected us to leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShoes Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 4 hours ago, Flash said: So it appears no-one has actualy changed their minds, the outers are still outers and the inners are still inners, very strange after all the pressure put on people for a second referendum. To be fair with how small the mandate was and with the fact that various campaigns are now getting fined for false facts, over spending etc. We probably should do it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 Out, and not believed all the crap on the BBC which is driven by Gov to try and get people scared - they did it in Scotland and Cameroon thought he would get away with it for the Brexit vote, seems we all did not believe the hype - also some of the MP's have changed there minds they voted to stay and now are happy to leave? i hope they grow a pair and start fighting for this country grahamparker, keithm and kobblers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 It's the European way to keep having referendum's till they get the result they want. Germany rules OK kobblers and Mike at Vauxhall 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred77 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 On 8/23/2018 at 9:59 PM, SteelCityShoes said: To be fair with how small the mandate was and with the fact that various campaigns are now getting fined for false facts, over spending etc. We probably should do it again Fines by 'remainer' establishment. And Government told us to vote remain - along with bigger business budget. Yeah lets keep voting till you get your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShoes Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 14 hours ago, obdsystems said: Fines by 'remainer' establishment. And Government told us to vote remain - along with bigger business budget. Yeah lets keep voting till you get your way. They had rules to follow before it all started, nothing to do with a “remainer establishment” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 8/22/2018 at 6:11 PM, SteelCityShoes said: By the time any potential benefits arise, most of the people who voted out won’t be around to see them. Over half of our trade is with Europe so we either leave and stay in the single market in which case we have to follow all the rules and lose our voting power. Or we leave entirely, face lower exports, higher prices and relatively lower wages If we leave, your comments are just an assunmtion. i doubt for one that we would be worse off after a year or two. kobblers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrkeys Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 I didn't vote - I tryed to but was so busy at the time I had other priorities (business, family), if they destroy democracy and force another vote I will make the time to vote Out I was never one to believe it would be easy but I never imagined it would take this long and going forward I don't expect us to be better off for at least 5-6 years and plus - but I do think it is absolutely necessary and like has already been said we need our freedom and control back not to mention the countless amounts of money that shifts from our country to other ones.......that part simply has to stop. I predict another vote coming with 3 options designed to dilute the Leave pool.............watch wait and see 1.Stay 2.Hard Brexit 3.Soft Brexit Thereby diluting the leave votes and giving the majority to the Stay voters If there's one thing you can trust about a politician it is to be totally and utterly Dishonest they are all and I mean every single last one of them, lying, cheating, scheming, dishonest scumbags of the highest order that don't have one single iota of integrity about themselves their job or their soul - Rant over kobblers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 You should have made an effort to vote. I voted out and would still vote out. kobblers and grahamparker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 the reality is that everybody has in fact lost , if as it looks like , we stay in the customs union and possibily the single market , we will in fact still have free movement so no control on imigration , we will still be bound by all rules dictated to us by the eu without any say in these rules , so in fact we will remain as a hanger on and a rule taker eating crumbs from the eu27 thats left . so whether remain or leave , we all lose as we have the worst possible outcome. a peoples vote should include leave with no deal as well as remain as well as soft brexit . many will be hoping the eu kick us out with no deal , all it takes is the french to veto an extension kobblers and keithm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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