lock&quay Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 Any advice welcome . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 Triax e-Code expensive but well worth the investment if you can afford it. Yes it does need a lot of cutters and jaws but i could not live without mine now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lock&quay Posted July 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 2 hours ago, grahamparker said: Triax e-Code expensive but well worth the investment if you can afford it. Yes it does need a lot of cutters and jaws but i could not live without mine now. I just had laugh at the price lol .... I can't justify that type of budget as I'm not Vat registered . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 Mine has cut over 12,000 keys now and still works the same as the day we bought it you do get what you pay for. Occasionally a second hand one appears but they aren't always in the best condition, i look after my machines. lock&quay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broms Cobb Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 Silca Futura does them, but slow.. http://charlesbirch.com/p-25485-silca-futura-pro-electronic-machine-with-automotive-kit.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lock&quay Posted July 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 3 hours ago, grahamparker said: Mine has cut over 12,000 keys now and still works the same as the day we bought it you do get what you pay for. Occasionally a second hand one appears but they aren't always in the best condition, i look after my machines. I have no doubt that it is a good machine , I have some high end Borkey machines I might let go as I hardly use them to justify a purchase & make room . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisorros Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 Best machine is the triax e code but on you could look at the miracle A9. Used one in the smaller branch for your & not had a problem. Much slower than a triax e code & the finish on the key is not the same level but for smaller volumes of keys it does the job fine. lock&quay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 Not the Futura anyway! I wonder if someone could compare these and suggest a cutting code please? Original customer key is the first then and then what the Futura decided it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eimco Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) We don’t do those Yale on the Futura we do them manually, but one thing have learnt with the futura the customer key has to be clean ie no dirt or crap on the key. Look at the customers key and see all the black dirt and grim that affects the decoding. What we do is with all keys going into the Futura is to use a wire brush to clean the crap from the cuts and it will deccode correctly. Hope it helps Edited July 14, 2018 by eimco Spelling mistakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 The key you have pictured Simes the cuts are A13221 B1312 C2121 Cutting card on my triax is the magnum card 3218 not sure if it is the same for the futura. I have also set my Z Axis cut at -10 in the Silca SKP software as they where sometimes a little tight in turning in the cylinder not sure again if you have that freedom with the Futura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 reverse the numbers right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 24 minutes ago, eimco said: We don’t do those Yale on the Futura we do them manually, but one thing have learnt with the futura the customer key has to be clean ie no dirt or crap on the key. Look at the customers key and see all the black dirt and grim that affects the decoding. What we do is with all keys going into the Futura is to use a wire brush to clean the crap from the cuts and it will deccode correctly. Hope it helps Thanks mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eimco Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 Your welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 38 minutes ago, Simes said: reverse the numbers right? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broms Cobb Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 we have a Futura pro, but, its too slow (funny rhymes) so we always manually cut them on the Silca matrix evo. ten times better and never fails... So good that i would sell the Futura which has cut a hand full of keys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 18 hours ago, B.C said: we have a Futura pro, but, its too slow (funny rhymes) so we always manually cut them on the Silca matrix evo. ten times better and never fails... So good that i would sell the Futura which has cut a hand full of keys... I don't understand the hurry! Allow the customer to watch there key being cut, they appreciate the extra cost a lot more. You don't actually stand there watching it yourself do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Flash said: You don't actually stand there watching it yourself do you? How long does it take on the Futura ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broms Cobb Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 23 hours ago, Flash said: I don't understand the hurry! Allow the customer to watch there key being cut, they appreciate the extra cost a lot more. You don't actually stand there watching it yourself do you? yes your right, how ever when you have a shop full all wanting to be served it's frustrating - having to put different jaws and cutters eems to take ages (with also keys into the clamps ) I think we can cut 10 in the time it takes TO DO 1!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 On 7/16/2018 at 10:52 AM, B.C said: yes your right, how ever when you have a shop full all wanting to be served it's frustrating - having to put different jaws and cutters eems to take ages (with also keys into the clamps ) I think we can cut 10 in the time it takes TO DO 1!! I understand the problem, but we have more than one machine and more than one staff so it works quite well most of the time. On 7/15/2018 at 11:56 AM, grahamparker said: How long does it take on the Futura ?. Last one I attempted took about 1 hour!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 49 minutes ago, Flash said: Last one I attempted took about 1 hour!!! I hope it worked after all that effort. I assume it was the first one you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 8:20 PM, grahamparker said: I hope it worked after all that effort. I assume it was the first one you did. And probably the last!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lock&quay Posted July 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 This Futura is starting to sound a bit gimmicky to me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, lock&quay said: This Futura is starting to sound a bit gimmicky to me . I believe it"s a brilliant piece of kit, the fact that I don't, won't, can't, use it is a different matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 7:30 PM, Flash said: I understand the problem, but we have more than one machine and more than one staff so it works quite well most of the time. Last one I attempted took about 1 hour!!! I too have more than one staff, but it's far too slow - I guess maybe were too critical there are 4 of us and each time anyone of us get these keys in we all turn to the manual way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 C cut on manual a+b on futura. not the quickest machine but I trust it’s accuracy it takes about 5 mins this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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