Simes Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Anyone else getting increasingly frustrated by the growing amount of single use plastic used in packaging in our industry? Is this really necessary? And it's not just JMA. We used to receive our car key cases loose but now they come in bags. The resealable ones I don't mind so much as they can be re-used but I don't know what purpose it serves. First thing I do when I get them is pull the plastic off and bin it so that they can be put on the peg boards anyway! soles'n'eels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 I agree. Whenever I buy keys in boxes, they always seem to be bagged up inside, too. I buy a lot of blingy keyrings from Birch and Colledge and they always come wrapped in bloody cellophane and it does my head in because I then have to faff around removing them and they also can't be recycled. Why don't they wrap them in tissue? Other stuff: Packs of Insoles Packs of soles and heels Packs of liquid polishes Umbrellas Pet tags. Why, why, why? Rick. Simes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 And the ford tibbe keys that come with 2 or 3 colour inserts. Does anyone really care which colour? Just use the black one. Anyone who knows what they are doing will check the chip anyway Simes and kobblers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 On 23/03/2018 at 5:22 PM, Count Muppet said: Does anyone really care which colour? YES!!! I'd like red and blue with tibbe and black with every other key please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted April 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 Arrived this morning! I think this demonstrates my point quite well. Why do we need a piece of engineered plastic over the head of the blade in a bag! Probably not the suppliers fault but the manufacturers. kobblers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 been thinking on this, and it seems everyone is 'jumping on the band wagon' by criticising all plastic use - If we got say 50 car keys posted without the plastic protection and a lot of the keys were scratched due to them 'rattling' in the box in transit who would we blame? I mean you supply a scratched key to the customer and they comment "it looks second hand?" what are you going to say? oh were against plastic and this is how they arrived? I too did not like the plastic whale that seems to have sparked off quite a debate but we all need to get a grip - maybe the manufacturers will adopt the plastic bags that if put into the water dissolve and fish can actually eat - I hope so.. But this will al take time, maybe the SMSR guys could try and make something of it all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, k4mrc said: I too did not like the plastic whale Plastic whale! Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted April 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, k4mrc said: been thinking on this, and it seems everyone is 'jumping on the band wagon' by criticising all plastic use - If we got say 50 car keys posted without the plastic protection and a lot of the keys were scratched due to them 'rattling' in the box in transit who would we blame? I mean you supply a scratched key to the customer and they comment "it looks second hand?" what are you going to say? oh were against plastic and this is how they arrived? I too did not like the plastic whale that seems to have sparked off quite a debate but we all need to get a grip - maybe the manufacturers will adopt the plastic bags that if put into the water dissolve and fish can actually eat - I hope so.. But this will al take time, maybe the SMSR guys could try and make something of it all? I don’t think we are saying there should be no packaging. However, there has definitely been more packaging of late that we managed perfectly we’ll without for years. I am just looking at my Ford Custom van key that has been in daily use for two years and on a large bunch of keys and if you put a new blade on it I doubt you could tell it wasn’t new without looking at it. However, packing is probably required, but as you say we need alternatives. Today I received a Renault Laguna Emergency key blade with a protective plastic cap, on the plastic head and then it was bagged in a resealable plastic bag, inside a plastic bubble pack, inside yet another plastic bag! kobblers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Auto Key Wizard said: Plastic whale! Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 Personally i think it is a fake photo but this is the image that went viral. Mike at Vauxhall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted April 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, grahamparker said: I think you are right, but it makes the point pretty well. grahamparker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 Did you see that item on Indonesia last night. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-43823883 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 A long while back I bought some degradable carrier bags off Birches. Sadly they all degraded before I even got to use them................ Sent them back... Doesn't look good when you put a customers shoes in and they fall out the bottom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 23 hours ago, Auto Key Wizard said: Plastic whale! Did I miss something? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-40354561 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Avery Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 It is not a fake image. It is an artwork installed by greenpeace to illustrate the problem: https://asiancorrespondent.com/2017/05/philippines-greenpeace-unfurls-beached-plastic-whale-raise-awareness/#uuVeUZkRPAWzphMm.97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at Vauxhall Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 The environment is such an important issue, I'm so glad no one devalued this thread by saying something like... " If you think an image of a "plastic" whale is distressing, an image of a "sperm" whale would be just disgusting." Auto Key Wizard, kobblers and MarkD 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at Vauxhall Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) While this thread seems more about the plastic that arrives in deliver, a lot of times the customer is to "blame" . I've decided to change from birch/zone blister pack padlocks to zone boxed. I think the zone box packaging looks fine, but really the blister pack is much more eye-catching. I will stick with the boxed zones, padlocks aren't an important part of my business, but I could imagine most retailers would go for the most eye catching because long and short of it it will sell a lot better. Edited June 29, 2018 by cowers lane 583 Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitySafe Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 As a company, we are extremely environmentally friendly, and we have done a lot to offset our carbon footprint including planting 56,000 trees in Thailand as well as getting solar powered panels fitted to all our roofs, which now powers over 80% of our electricity. With regards to blister packaging, we have been doing a lot of work on the plastic that is used in our blister packaging. From the very start we have always made sure that the plastic can be recycled. We have also now sourced a new blister supplier who makes all of the blisters from recycled plastic bottles. I do agree that plastic can be overused in the industry, however not all plastic is bad. kobblers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 33 minutes ago, CitySafe said: As a company, we are extremely environmentally friendly, and we have done a lot to offset our carbon footprint including planting 56,000 trees in Thailand as well as getting solar powered panels fitted to all our roofs, which now powers over 80% of our electricity. With regards to blister packaging, we have been doing a lot of work on the plastic that is used in our blister packaging. From the very start we have always made sure that the plastic can be recycled. We have also now sourced a new blister supplier who makes all of the blisters from recycled plastic bottles. I do agree that plastic can be overused in the industry, however not all plastic is bad. I've noticed that a lot of your keys come in cardboard boxes, too. Well done for taking a lead. Charles Birch assured me that they, too, would be looking into minimising their plastic packaging. I hate single use plastic Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, cowers lane 583 said: While this thread seems more about the plastic that arrives in deliver, a lot of times the customer is to "blame" . I've decided to change from birch/zone blister pack padlocks to zone boxed. I think the zone box packaging looks fine, but really the blister pack is much more eye-catching. I will stick with the boxed zones, padlocks aren't an important part of my business, but I could imagine most retailers would go for the most eye catching because long and short of it it will sell a lot better. We keep them packaged and loose but only display the packaged ones. When the customer purchases, we offer them a loose one, instead, and they more often than not happily accept as it means they don't have to risk slicing their hands open trying to extricate the bastard things from the packaging. Rick. Mike at Vauxhall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 Just received 200 65/30 padlocks carded which we have to engrave. The packaging is ridiculous but could not wait for boxed padlocks from Germany as they need to be engraved and collected on Monday morning. Also it has taken 2 of us nearly 45 minutes to unpack in between serving customers. Mike at Vauxhall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted June 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 5 hours ago, grahamparker said: Just received 200 65/30 padlocks carded which we have to engrave. The packaging is ridiculous but could not wait for boxed padlocks from Germany as they need to be engraved and collected on Monday morning. Also it has taken 2 of us nearly 45 minutes to unpack in between serving customers. Incredible waste isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 Dont you use the plastic to lay or stick over objects you are engraving to see where/how good it will look? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted June 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Yes, I do sometimes. I think the debate is about plaster that is unecessary use or for cosmetic purposes. So I agree with what was said early that not all plastic is bad. Butvat least this topic gets us and hopefully the manufacturers thinking about the subject. i like the idea of using limited blister packs to display but selling the boxed ones. Although still not convinced that manufacturers may be able to find other ways to attractively package without plastic. Good to hear City Safe’s efforts too. graham’s experience erience demonstrates well the waste aspect. Plus I’m sure that the blister backs are dearer than boxed. I’m sure the public would rather pay less and have the benefit of not having to remove from a blister pack. Reassurance that what we are using is at least recyclable would be a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Blister packs have only become dearer than boxed in the last year for all Abus products. One wholesaler has over the last 2 years got rid of all there boxed stock as they only sold blister pack but after the last 2 Abus price increases the difference on retail price is now quite different, luckily i get a better discount than most, the 65/30 Abus padlock rrp is £8.94 visi pack or £8.13 boxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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