Keep lonsdor and skp1000 or swap for MVP pro

[Tyleroakes123]

Hi guys, had a fair few programmers... all been alright I guess, I REALLY should have started with the MVP pro, but dived right into cheap Chinese equipment, had the skp900 rather liked that and the obdstar x300 dp I rarely used as it did less than it said to do "gone now both"... now I have the lonsdor k518ise which is recently new and the skp1000 I haven't got round to testing, the lonsdor is good hasn't failed me yet on mazdas vauxhall etc but I'm still wanting a MVP pro, I'm debating to stick these two up on a sales site and buy out the MVP pro or do I stick with these two pieces till I get enough for the MVP? Any suggestions? It's rather bugging me...

[rapidlocks]

or do you wait till advanced diagnostics release their new wider coverage programmer that replaces mvp pro at end of year ? or with this in mind do you look to the 2nd hand market for a bargain mvp pro once released .

 

advanced diagnostics is and always will be a safe investment , the one constant in the topsy turvey world of diag.

 

As the Lonsdor K518 se english version is a new piece of china kit to hit market , it is an unknown at present , has some big claims with bmw coverage etc , its a brave man who tests this first , as a new release it will have many bugs that need fixing , but in time looks to be alot of token free coverage for not alot of money , but is at present an unknown , lonsdor in fairness are better than many so will be interesting to see the longer term results of the new lonsdor kit , im sure like obdstar it will be easy to earn payback with and will be favoured by the price cutters . .

 

china seem to be moving away from the once pure clones and now develop , xhorse , lonsdor , obdstar , CGDI etc all producing useful tools and all token free , but even with such token savers in your arsenal its always good to have an advanced diagnostics product as well , AD will still be supporting and updating their units in years to come , a record china and other european diag manufacturers often dont live up to. China tools now have their place but as well as and not instead of mainstream kit .

[Tyleroakes123]

Yeah your right on that one about the new advanced diagnostic tool coming out! Looks brilliant! Yet I'm fairly new to the trade and I'd have to start saving some pennies for that, as of the MVP pro... I may have to wait to get one when everyone replaces them with the smart pro hah!

[rapidlocks]

well repo dave has an mvp pro for sale with 202 tokens on it in the items for sale area if looking for mvp pro. http://shoerepairer.info/topic/22663-mvp-pro-202-tokens-for-sale/ 

 

as mvp pro and ad100 pro will still be supported for some time , it will be a long while before these fall heavily in price , we all like to keep one for the oddballs and to back up our token free options , but bargains crop up now and then .

 

china kit has its place as token savers , but you are going to need better more reliable kit at some point to get decent coverage , start filling the piggy bank as it never ends 

[Hindley key]

Hi guys would love some feedback on skp1000 as am thinking of buying to start me off with doing car keys from my shop

[rapidlocks]

to start you off doing what with car keys ?

 

spare keys , all keys lost , just remotes ?

 

skp1000 has a fair coverage on what it covers , but does what it cover meet your needs and what you expect of it ?

 

i assume from your post and having a shop you already do clone keys ? but finding yourself turning away alot of jobs as remotes wanted on id46 or cars the cloner doesnt do ?

 

you have valuable research data from the jobs you currently turn away , enough maybe to determine what you need coverage on the most , id study this to determine what coverage you are looking for most , then look at machines that meet your own needs and what you need from it .

 

what coverage are you hoping to get from the machine you buy to get you started , are your enquiries mainly newer cars or older cars ? 

[Tyleroakes123]

If your looking for newer cars and a heck load of Asian vehicle coverage yes the skp1000 would be a great option for lost keys etc, but personally diving into the China equipment like I said, I wish I went with advanced keys equipment to get going (y) lots more coverage on the cars people lose there keys for round my end

[Tyleroakes123]

P.s if you want an skp message me I may sell mine as I have my eye on something else 07477632634

[Hindley key]

Well we don't do any car keys at the moment but turning them all away, as I don't have the equipment to do it and looking at a lower cost to get me started them move on to maybe zed full afterwards but just don't have the funds to buy all the expensive kit

[rapidlocks]

if you dont do any car keys at present at all , id suggest starting with cloning  rather than obd coding if shop based , handy baby is an excellent unit to start with , as is keyline mini with extreme kit and silca rw4 plus with m box , all 3 of these give you a large cloning coverage for spare key work .

once you gain confidence with cloning non remote keys you can add a kd900 to your kit and make manually coded remote keys for makes and models that use manually coded remotes .

 

when ready to progress to obd coded keys , you look at a unit that codes the keys you turn down the most which will be mainly id46 remote keys as most of these are coded by diag,

 

then when ready to look at lost key work then look at more programmers , cut to code machines , picks and decoders etc , thats when investment starts to get serious , many have more invested in this kit than in their homes.

 

i wouldnt advise jumping straight in on obd keys , better to start with a cloner  like handy baby , silca or keyline and build from there , this will allow you to do spare non remote keys on over 70% of cars , adding kd opens up alot of remote keys that are manually coded , then a unit like obdstar x300 , mvp pro , zedfull etc can all add to what you offer , but id learn to walk before you run aand start with a cloner and build from there  .

[Hindley key]

Does the skp1000 clone key though as it says it does online

[Hindley key]

Just an update I have a zedfull on order from hicleys is the any other bits that I would need

[rapidlocks]

If you have zedfull on order then i can only assume you wish to do far more than just clone keys in the shop , and that your looking to offer a full mobile all keys lost service and spare key service by obd as well , in which case alot more kit is needed if you dont already have this , including ;

 

1) set of lishi pick and decoders to pick open the cars locks to decode the key cuts , the number of different pick and decoders you will need will depend on the coverage you require , theres around 110 different tools for different locks , so decide on makes models and years you want to cover and buy the relevent tools, if unsure what tools to buy , message me and il try and advise 

 

2) good cut to code machine that cuts laser track and edge keys to code , to inputted cuts and decodes and copies .

 

3) tibbe pick and decoder 

 

4) keydiy unit is advised as a useful stock saver 

 

5) keys , chips and remote keys and keydiy keys ( dont skimp on your stock of keys , chips and remote keys , as its a competative market and if you cant do the job today you will probably lose it as countless others will be able to do it on the day , sufficient stock is a must have , keydiy can drastically reduce the amount of remotes you need to carry as it can generate nearly 1000 different vehicle remotes)

 

6) if cut to code machine doesnt cut tibbe keys then a tibbe machine as well 

 

you will need alot more as you go along such as broken key extractors , alternate entry tools , battery pack , battery support unit etc  , but this starts you off with the tools to generate the key code when all keys are lost , the machine to cut the key to code or cuts , the stock to use and then to be programmed with zedfull , as long as one of the makes and models covered by zedfull of course as no programmer meets all your needs and all have their fair share of failures thus multiple options tend to be needed.

[Hindley key]

Well I have a tibbe machine and manual laser key machine I've got the zedfull just because it looked like it's a good all round kit without having to buy this kit and that cloner. Will be moving into all the other stuff like lost keys and stuff but all in good time.

Was thinking

Zed-FULL Cloning Pack

This handy pack consists of the following:

 

1 x TPX4CLONER Zedfull TPX4 Cloner for ID46

1 x ZEDZFH-C01 TPX-4 Cloner cable for Zedfull

1 x TK60 TK60 Phillips Crypto 46 key head

1 x ZEDNET

1 x ZEDZFH-48SNIFFER ID48 Sniffer Key

 

There's is other sniffer keys that they do would these be helpful

Thanks for your help

[rapidlocks]

if just wanting cloning for now , then zedfull is overkill , as silca , keyline and handy baby has same and more id48 cloning coverage , and with just manual machines you are tied to spare keys , though zedfull does offer obd solutions for spare keys as well as cloning .

 

sniffer keys will be needed for cloning id46 and id48 i suspect , silca and handy baby have a snoop for this with the kit , but zedfull also has some emulators for fiat which are good

 

is the cloning functions free on zedfull or by token use 

[Hindley key]

Cloning is free to use it's just the obd stuff that is token, see I didn't know about the programming of the remote into the car

Sorry for all the questions

But would I be right with if I clone the chip I still have to program the remote within the car

[rapidlocks]

some remotes need programming via obd , some are a manual procedure where no diag needed , and some have to be done fully by obd , ie you cant clone a chip then obd a remote , you must do chip and remote by obd , such as common id46 integrated chip keys .

[exp121260]

Rapidlocks thanks for providing all these useful information regarding car key cloning and programming.  I currently have Keyline 844 Mini  with extreme Kit  and clone almost any car key apart from some Vauxhall from the years between 1998-2004 (PH1A chips). I would like to do remotes now and demand from them are high and the Mini paid back what I paid for it after 20 jobs. I would like to start with remotes that can be done without the need OBD  (manual procedure). I have had generous offer from the citysafe  rep (Rob) for Obdstar 300 but i am not fully confident to start OBS yet. would you please provide some info regarding  manual procedure remotes i.e what machines required, which car remotes can be done manually (coverage) , do i still need to clone the chip using cloning machine ... appropriate your time if you could provide some info .. regards 

[Keydoctor]

Rapidlocks thanks for providing all these useful information regarding car key cloning and programming.  I currently have Keyline 844 Mini  with extreme Kit  and clone almost any car key apart from some Vauxhall from the years between 1998-2004 (PH1A chips). I would like to do remotes now and demand from them are high and the Mini paid back what I paid for it after 20 jobs. I would like to start with remotes that can be done without the need OBD  (manual procedure). I have had generous offer from the citysafe  rep (Rob) for Obdstar 300 but i am not fully confident to start OBS yet. would you please provide some info regarding  manual procedure remotes i.e what machines required, which car remotes can be done manually (coverage) , do i still need to clone the chip using cloning machine ... appropriate your time if you could provide some info .. regards 

 

 

To see what remotes can be coded manually or if they are by obd by looking on www.wikirke.co.uk

 

It will give you a good insight into the coverage you can provide.

 

Hope that helps

[exp121260]

To see what remotes can be coded manually or if they are by obd by looking on www.wikirke.co.uk

 

It will give you a good insight into the coverage you can provide.

 

Hope that helps

Thanks key-doctor , this link is really good.