Best cylinder barrel

[mrkeys]

had a federal barrel anti pick,bump,drill,snap on my front door and it did its job last night as we had an attempted break in.

This morning it took several men, 10 drill bits (not budget ones) and 4 hours to get past the damn thing between 9am and 1pm so clearly it's done what it was supposed to do and even resisted a significant amount if power tools

 

My question to all you pros is was I just lucky or am I safe with these type of locks, I've had to replace it with an "ABS super" but unsure how these would resist a strong screwdriver and some brute force? The federal did resist the screwdriver it simply started spinning when force was used with no key but again was I just lucky or was it because the lock was a good one?

 

Would really appreciate some advice on the best barrel to order? I'm a mere key cutter not a locksmith and my knowledge is lacking in this area.

 

Beefed up security has been ordered, shutters, grills, lights, alarms, sensors connecting to 24 hour surveillance you name it I've thought of it, there's even razor sharpe barbed wire going on the fkn roof and I dont care one iota if I get sued by some smack rat or gypo who thinks he can touch my property - very angry man here at the moment - all advice welcome guys x

Kind regards

[grahamparker]

The new Federal locks are quite impressive, and very good but there is always a way in, just depends on how determined the thief is.

 

If you dont care about damage then a reciprocating saw will cut through any upvc mechanisms no matter how good the cylinder is, i have seen the frame cut from top to bottom while the mechanism was still locked

it had several hookbolts and rollers that where still in the locked position.

 

Any "professional thief" will always find a way in no matter what steps you take you only have to look at the Hatton garden robbery. If they want to get in the will unless the door is manned 24hours by a security team.

 

Thats why no safe has or ever will be totally impregnable.

[mrkeys]

The new Federal locks are quite impressive, and very good but there is always a way in, just depends on how determined the thief is.

 

If you dont care about damage then a reciprocating saw will cut through any upvc mechanisms no matter how good the cylinder is, i have seen the frame cut from top to bottom while the mechanism was still locked

it had several hookbolts and rollers that where still in the locked position.

 

Any "professional thief" will always find a way in no matter what steps you take you only have to look at the Hatton garden robbery. If they want to get in the will unless the door is manned 24hours by a security team.

 

Thats why no safe has or ever will be totally impregnable.

I understand that Graham, im just asking for peoples advice on what they would personally go with ?

 

Kind Regards Carl

[MarkD]

What's an ABS super?

 

If it's the Avocet ABS then it needs to come out, there is a tool being sold to anyone who wants one to open these in seconds which leaves no visible signs of entry and requires no skill.

[mrkeys]

Here she is m8

[grahamparker]

Make sure you keep the plastic sheath on the blade to stop the magnet transferring debris into the lock.

 

I also heard a rumour that it had failed the kitemark testing but i stress it was a rumour.

 

If the federal withstood all the effort you describe why not replace it with another as it has proved its worth by stopping the intruder and the locksmith today.

 

I am pretty sure that the ABS is manufactured by Federal.

[mrkeys]

Thanks guys I will order another Federal, was looking at a multilock, evva or Yale superior but not had any feedback on them yet

 

The locksmith today was not a locksmith - merely 2 handymen and 2 conservatory fitting misters that happened to be passing through the car park and a shit load of brute force

 

I had so much to do (I'm half way through moving shops) I could not lend a hand and had no tools so had to leave it all to other people

 

ALL ADVICE WELCOME AS ALWAYS if anything else pops up

 

Kind regards Carl

[Count Muppet]

That avocet is the one that the new tool is designed for. 5 second opening with no skill.

[mrkeys]

It's coming off tomorrow guys, thanks for the advice you lot may just have saved me my livelyhood.

 

We've got a lot of smack rats and gypo's near us, property must  be protected to its fullest.

 

The attempted break in I spoke about you can see em on the cameras there's a van waiting - I hate to think how much of my stock and set up they would have taken

 

Kind regards Carl

[hibsjo(SCO)]

I fit these if asked

http://www.ultion-lock.co.uk/

carry on!

[LockandKey]

Make sure you keep the plastic sheath on the blade to stop the magnet transferring debris into the lock.

 

I also heard a rumour that it had failed the kitemark testing but i stress it was a rumour.

 

If the federal withstood all the effort you describe why not replace it with another as it has proved its worth by stopping the intruder and the locksmith today.

 

I am pretty sure that the ABS is manufactured by Federal.

Rofl = factory codes in China - made in China just the same as all the brands you mention - including the ones you all seem to love so dearly lol.

How about I cut your key from a photo? ABS, Yale Superior, Magnum, Ultion, Cisa Astral, ISEO R6 - all can be copied by a mere iphone photo while you are at the bar... without you realising.

 

I guess it must be harder to photo a key than buy a locksmithing tool from China? £10.84 delivered working key, no messing about at the doorstep looking suspicious or using an entry method deemed as illegal - just a working key.

 

Surely this is dark magic - oh no, it's just fact. All the locks mentioned above have no key protection - why use a sledge hammer to crack a very small nut?

 

All of these systems might be able to withstand a JCB at 100mph - but if you have a key, it's just pointless huff and puff..

 

“Understand this clearly: you can teach a man to draw a straight line, and to carve it; and to copy and carve any number of given lines or forms, with admirable speed and perfect precision; and you find his work perfect of its kind: but if you ask him to think about any of those forms, to consider if he cannot find any better in his own head, he stops; his execution becomes hesitating; he thinks, and ten to one he thinks wrong; ten to one he makes a mistake in the first touch he gives to his work as a thinking being. But you have made a man of him for all that. He was only a machine before, an animated tool.” 

― John Ruskin, The Stones of Venice

 

Try not to be a tool imo

[grahamparker]

Rofl = factory codes in China - made in China just the same as all the brands you mention - including the ones you all seem to love so dearly lol.

How about I cut your key from a photo? ABS, Yale Superior, Magnum, Ultion, Cisa Astral, ISEO R6 - all can be copied by a mere iphone photo while you are at the bar... without you realising.

 

I guess it must be harder to photo a key than buy a locksmithing tool from China? £10.84 delivered working key, no messing about at the doorstep looking suspicious or using an entry method deemed as illegal - just a working key.

 

Surely this is dark magic - oh no, it's just fact. All the locks mentioned above have no key protection - why use a sledge hammer to crack a very small nut?

 

All of these systems might be able to withstand a JCB at 100mph - but if you have a key, it's just pointless huff and puff..

 

“Understand this clearly: you can teach a man to draw a straight line, and to carve it; and to copy and carve any number of given lines or forms, with admirable speed and perfect precision; and you find his work perfect of its kind: but if you ask him to think about any of those forms, to consider if he cannot find any better in his own head, he stops; his execution becomes hesitating; he thinks, and ten to one he thinks wrong; ten to one he makes a mistake in the first touch he gives to his work as a thinking being. But you have made a man of him for all that. He was only a machine before, an animated tool.” 

― John Ruskin, The Stones of Venice

 

Try not to be a tool imo

 

What has China got to do with any part of my comments that makes you ROFL.

 

So are you saying all a thief needs is an iphone and to find you in a bar holding your keys up for a portrait photo.

 

So that's the solution, avoid bars and people with iphones and you will never have a break in.

 

Sometimes if you think to hard about not being a Tool, then eventually over time you become the Tool.

[hibsjo(SCO)]

to the point made about cutting keys for all locks mentioned above then all keys can be cut for a lock, regardless of pattern or security. imho

i stand to be corrected

carry on!

[Flash]

Rofl = factory codes in China - made in China just the same as all the brands you mention - including the ones you all seem to love so dearly lol.

How about I cut your key from a photo? ABS, Yale Superior, Magnum, Ultion, Cisa Astral, ISEO R6 - all can be copied by a mere iphone photo while you are at the bar... without you realising.

 

I guess it must be harder to photo a key than buy a locksmithing tool from China? £10.84 delivered working key, no messing about at the doorstep looking suspicious or using an entry method deemed as illegal - just a working key.

 

Surely this is dark magic - oh no, it's just fact. All the locks mentioned above have no key protection - why use a sledge hammer to crack a very small nut?

 

All of these systems might be able to withstand a JCB at 100mph - but if you have a key, it's just pointless huff and puff..

 

“Understand this clearly: you can teach a man to draw a straight line, and to carve it; and to copy and carve any number of given lines or forms, with admirable speed and perfect precision; and you find his work perfect of its kind: but if you ask him to think about any of those forms, to consider if he cannot find any better in his own head, he stops; his execution becomes hesitating; he thinks, and ten to one he thinks wrong; ten to one he makes a mistake in the first touch he gives to his work as a thinking being. But you have made a man of him for all that. He was only a machine before, an animated tool.” 

― John Ruskin, The Stones of Venice

 

Try not to be a tool imo

 

So I had two yale superior keys cut to the card numbers A.b.c. etc.

Guess what, they didn't work. So I don't have much faith in having them cut from a photo taken in a pub on a dark Saturday night.

It may work it may not, and how do you know which key fits which lock on my bunch of 27 keys?

[hibsjo(SCO)]

i watched a video recently about picking abs keys

think they will have to come up with something new, scarily easy!

carry on!

[almeriasecure]

Brisant ultion with 'lock down' when attacked.

 

Check out the promotional video on youtube.

[grahamparker]

Ultion is made by federal but it has not passed the 3 star kite mark testing that the federal lock HAS.

[hibsjo(SCO)]

Graham what do you think of the Ultion/Brisant dimple locks?

the ultion has got the sold secure rating?

thoughts?

carry on!

[grahamparker]

They are just as good, but the federal 6YCF cylinders are cheaper and they use a normal cylinder key (which is restricted to stockist only).

 

The iron gaurd is identical on the ultion and the federal lock.

 

The federal are full BSI 3 star and sold secure diamond so it boils down to cost for me.

[Auto Key Wizard]

I have a pair of half Brisant Ultion on my van deadlocks, but I'm not about to upload an image of the key for someone to sight read and duplicate

[LockandKey]

So I had two yale superior keys cut to the card numbers A.b.c. etc.

Guess what, they didn't work. So I don't have much faith in having them cut from a photo taken in a pub on a dark Saturday night.

It may work it may not, and how do you know which key fits which lock on my bunch of 27 keys?

I bet it wasn't us that cut them .... as we correct the cuts even if the code card is duff & keys don't work, customer is not effected and pays no extra (It's the price you pay by being Yale Approved)

27 keys on a keyring I bet we could ID nearly all the profiles but obviously can't decode depths without a good image of each key!

TBH you really need a master key system on a protected patented key! Swap to 1 car/van key and one cylinder master key that no one can copy without your authorisation? 2 keys on your keyring, much less baggy trousers

[Flash]

I bet it wasn't us that cut them .... as we correct the cuts even if the code card is duff & keys don't work, customer is not effected and pays no extra (It's the price you pay by being Yale Approved)

27 keys on a keyring I bet we could ID nearly all the profiles but obviously can't decode depths without a good image of each key!

TBH you really need a master key system on a protected patented key! Swap to 1 car/van key and one cylinder master key that no one can copy without your authorisation? 2 keys on your keyring, much less baggy trousers

 

It's easy to I.D. the profiles, how do you know where the locks are?. My bunch of 27 keys contains 12 chubb mortice keys, none of which belong to property I own or rentS

So you would have a set of useless keys.