Broms Cobb Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 easy entrie - http://www.nwkeys.co.uk/Portal.aspx?page=43&cat=447&prod=14021 Lee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 saw this at hickleys show , was certainly interesting Technical Tony D-Burgess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockandKey Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Rofl - try 'Google 3D printers' ??? Same rules apply to printing your own £50 notes for personal gain. Patent protection means duplicate for payment and you're history without authority. We can open safes, cars, houses etc - doesn't mean we own them or their contents??? Hacking your PC doesn't mean I have commercial rights to your key strokes and history. Sleep easy is my policy - if you want to test the wrath of Schlage or Assa or Kaba or Evva feel free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Tell me when the last case of anyone taking action against anyone was taken. I have never heard of one except about 20 years ago MTL seized the stock of an Irish key blank supplier who had MTL keys............ kobblers, Broms Cobb and Technical Tony D-Burgess 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Agreed, i heard even Evva where reluctant to go to court of duplication of dps blanks. Technical Tony D-Burgess and kobblers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony D-Burgess Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 To help on this topic , the patent for keys is on the 100% shape and design of the key itself , so as mentioned above these machines NEVER make a 100% copy so keeping the making of these sections fully legal . They make a close copy which sort of looks like the original but more so will enter the key hole . Hence again not making a copy of a patented design . Anyone and everyone in the industry can buy and use these machines which to be honest many people have been for many years buying and using the Easy Entey machine which is around £7.5k so made the purchase of it a hard choice to make for the everyday key cutter shop . Ignore the greatly cheaper price on the Xcut , there are further newer improvements over the old competition . For example improvements in the following Brighter user panel Simple menus and user friendly Computerised setting of the cutter And the reader .. Lifetime touch buttons Double reader pins Faster reading Motorised cutter guard Light in cutting area No need to remove original keys Just a few things I can think of but I hope these all help . Any one of our distributors can supply the X cut. And supply a Demo for you .. I can also provide personal demos on these machines. If anyone wants to see how they work But again please feel free to contact your normal supplier and they will help you and Hickleys help them with full back up service etc .. https://www.hickleys.com/diagnostics/xcut.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony D-Burgess Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 X Cut machine .. As image below . If you need any further help please let me know , thanks https://www.hickleys.com/diagnostics/xcut.php kobblers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony D-Burgess Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Update Info The other side of the Patent is Mass Production , So -- Can the Xcut Mass produce keys = No ! If a key blank producer like JMA / Silca Mass produced a Patent Protected key they this would break the law, as the Xcut can not produce High or fast volume of keys, again this does not break Patent laws. Also Any Keys that also say Copyright (And a year) are now legally out of their copyright period as well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Rofl - try 'Google 3D printers' ??? Same rules apply to printing your own £50 notes for personal gain. Patent protection means duplicate for payment and you're history without authority. We can open safes, cars, houses etc - doesn't mean we own them or their contents??? Hacking your PC doesn't mean I have commercial rights to your key strokes and history. Sleep easy is my policy - if you want to test the wrath of Schlage or Assa or Kaba or Evva feel free What a load of tosh. Shawn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamdale Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Regardless of the patent issues, I got the chap to copy one of our Pextra restricted keys, when he was demonstrating this machine at one of the shows and yes it did copy the bank and it did go in the cylinder but it also snapped as the machine produced a very weak key, due too the complicated section. So let's just say I'm not worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 so have they fixed the safety shield closing problem on this machine? when we saw it being demonstrated at Telford all the machines failed on the shield closing carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony D-Burgess Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Tbh there has never been an issue with the safety shield apart from user error . I still have my first machine from 8-9 months ago and this has always been perfect . I know of the issue you mention , the person using the machine slammed closed the shield with their hand - in error - and in doing this they damaged the motor itself . New motor fitted and education for the user not to touch the shield and it's working perfect . Hope this helps hibsjo(SCO) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony D-Burgess Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Regardless of the patent issues, I got the chap to copy one of our Pextra restricted keys, when he was demonstrating this machine at one of the shows and yes it did copy the bank and it did go in the cylinder but it also snapped as the machine produced a very weak key, due too the complicated section. So let's just say I'm not worried That's very strange as the Pextra section actually can not be copied ??? Reason is the section has an overhang on the profile so the machine will never make a key on its own to fit directly into the lock . If the user then uses a laser machine to - THIN the key as you mention then it is possible but this is then down to the user messing around with the key itself . Hope this helps kobblers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrkeys Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Does anyone have a picture of the "Pextra restricted keys" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 pExtra key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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