StevenB Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Here's my opinion for what it's worth......I bought a Keycrypt pro (AD900)....Customers would not pay the measly price I was asking to clone keys and things where moving on at such a pace I decided to pack it in and sell my equipment....I personally think you have to go into the car thing properly....Know what you are doing, get trained and spend thousands of pounds on the right equipment....no half arsed attempt, all out or nothing or you will make mistakes and it will cost you....I don't do car keys any more and I sleep well with no worries... I concur. Oh christ, now we're all turning into KeithM... Everything I've seen about car keys in the last few years has led me to the conclusion that things are moving too fast, accurate information is too hard to come by, (just see how many topics there are on here asking what is the best machine to have) and besides all that, people in my area generally aren't prepared to pay the going rate for these keys, so it's an area of business I am more than happy to leave well alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 I'm keeping my Miraclone for now , but am sticking to the easy ones like Fords. If I do one Ford then thats £65 in the till, £125 with a remote. Most people won't pay round here so the odd one is a bonus. There isn't an auto locksmith for about 40 miles as far as I know, and if I had the time and money I would try and get into it properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holly12345 Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Although I like my Bianchi 884 Im very tempted to get rid of, theres not much profit in this, only time I use this is when going out to customers who lock there keys in there car then attempt to sell them a spare, which a few do because of whats just happened. I am still tempted in getting the Renault true code though, I do get many calls for lost or broken key cards for Renaults which at moment turn away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 true code is excellent kit , really cant fault it and its a reasonable price too . here in notts renault cards are too cheap to be worthwhile if a distance away , customers can get original laguna and megane cards for as low as £130 all inclusive of vat. and copy cards which are tat even cheaper . out of hours all cards lost or stolen are the only jobs that pay on these here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holly12345 Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 ive seen on ebay somebodys doing for 110 and 120. How do they make money on them they aint cheap at trade, unless im not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 ive seen on ebay somebodys doing for 110 and 120. How do they make money on them they aint cheap at trade, unless im not mistaken. Prob another one of our suppliers Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 We have 'cloning' and diagnostic equipment, and when the diagnostic equipment fails, we turn to cloning, (which is rare but has happened) but more importantly the cloning is quicker and in my situation make more profit from it. I have also bought the RW4 which TeL200 mentioned - this I have only used once and have an MVP and ALBRITES amongst other equipment - and where everything else fails - I stick with cloning despite all the criticism of it as I want a life - meaning instead of working all hours till midnight and sometimes 4 in the morning 'eprom' work as a couple of lockies I know do on a regular basis I like to finish EVERY day at 5-30PM and see my family! The so called professionals on here 'damning' the cloners must be as 'boring as hell' or so far up there own rear ends making out were all cowboys with cloners, and stating we should not be doing it - is this not a dream from them trying to get us all to quit? They simply want all the money for themselves , we are in this trade to make money, I cut keys I also do the shoes, I also Engrave - and will not drop any of it because there may be an occasional problem? Every person in ANY trade can have problems - does that make them drop there chosen trade? NO! If we work out over the years how much we have made (profit) from CLONING keys, then take off any bad things it not rocket science the cloning is and will always be the winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holly12345 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Yes true do the job properly, but how many locksmiths on here who have done 1 week courses or 2 week courses go out on the road and say they are competent, which they arnt, your always learning has everything is updated all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 You can have all the formal qualifications you want and still be crap at what you do. I've been repairing shoes for 44 years. (No formal qualifications just experience handed down through generations) There can be no substitute for experience, Most days I come across something that challenges me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 You agree for the most part?....What part don't you agree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Then he didn't draw on his years of experience and is quite clearly an idiot...What sort of key was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Are you a Philosopher?......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I am barely a normal human being mate. Isn't that a philosopher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 No that's an amoeba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 I thought it was a politician Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simong Posted March 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 well I have got a Renault kangoo 2006 and its id46 for tomorrow ,do I go for it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 well I have got a Renault kangoo 2006 and its id46 for tomorrow ,do I go for it again Only if you are going to programme in a remote key properly as it has no door lock on the drivers door and if you unlock the passenger door you will need to lean over and put key in ignition to stop alarm sounding now that ain't really a working key is it Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 How much is RTC1 Craig? 445 plus vat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 You'll not regret having true code in your arsenal. Great bit of kit and a doddle to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 You'll not regret having true code in your arsenal. Great bit of kit and a doddle to use. I have a Panasonic tough book with rtc1 rtc2 rtc3 and ntc1 and genuine car prog for vag preceded keys on it for sale £1000 a half price saving. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony original Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Hi it was a tph chip which i found strange in a c4 put the key in the car at the garage and now says tph1 so copied it is fine it was the 8th key to be programmed which caused the lockdown thats what they say, how true it is i do not no, it is now back to 2 keys and both working , they cleared the old keys and reset it , as Tell said reset the bcm . so when cloning how do we no if it is on maximum number of keys this was done on a trs5000 but we do use rw4 and abrites . cost was £120 for diagnostic £150 tow truck £ 40 car hire this is strange as the chip / new key is a CLONE ONLY - so for example if this was key number 7 you clone the number 7 key ONLY - so the car will see only clone - original key number 7 . so very strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony original Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 well I have got a Renault kangoo 2006 and its id46 for tomorrow ,do I go for it again If this is 100% - ID46 - this will be TPX4 (my JMA transponder book agrees as well) NOTE - the TPH1 chip is NOT ID46 ... also The TRS5000 does not tell you the ID number on the screen, I wounder if there is to much information on here confusing the ID information etc. ! Basically TPX4 can not damage the car or the original key, so there is no reason why you can't use this to make a copy . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simong Posted March 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Hi had a Renault mascot which is a ldv re badged did 2 keys for it which was tp05 was fine for 6 months customer lost one went to use the spare started once and never again . called Renault they said it was a key problem ,then spoke to ldv they said it had to many keys on it and had to be diagnostically deleted then the 2 new keys added . the original still worked I even changed the chip to try that . nothing happened but original worked , . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony original Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Hi had a Renault mascot which is a ldv re badged did 2 keys for it which was tp05 was fine for 6 months customer lost one went to use the spare started once and never again . called Renault they said it was a key problem ,then spoke to ldv they said it had to many keys on it and had to be diagnostically deleted then the 2 new keys added . the original still worked I even changed the chip to try that . nothing happened but original worked , . Still strange , I have never heard of this as a Clone Key being to many - Yes Diagnostically you have a Maximum of chips but Clone, in theory the car / van has No idea how many clones there are out there ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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