kobblers Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Found on one of our supplier's website: Special Offer 20% reduction was £44.00 - NOW £35.20 Dimension : 96 x 60 cm Thickness : 6 mm Hardness : 95 SHORE Any one know what 95 shore means? I've never heard of it in 25 years Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Its a scale for measuring the hardness of materials Rick. http://www.smooth-on.com/-Documents-Dur ... index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 So this begs the question, is it a 95 SHORE hardness on the OO, A, or D scale? There's a big difference between the relative hardness of a tyre's tread, a shopping trolley wheel, or something harder than a hard hat. And I'm sure that somebody, somewhere must be interested... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'm interested for the simple reason that I'd like at least a rough idea of what it's likely to wear like but 95 shore means nothing to me. I figured gray, elf or hugh would've known what it meant Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Shore is indeed a hardness scale. FYI, the Polyurathane covering on our contact wheels for the 700 models are 90 shore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Thanks Keith. So on a scale of 100, would 10 be fairly soft and 100 hard? Cheers. Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Thanks Keith. So on a scale of 100, would 10 be fairly soft and 100 hard? Cheers. Rick. No matter - I don't know why I didn't just click the bloody link to find out. Anyway, just in case anyone else would like to know for future reference: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 rick the shore rating is there for information only it is just a guide just becouse a material is harder does not mean it will wear better sometimes the harder the material the quicker it wears becouse it could be to hard and will break off instead of erode , example i have 2 old contact wheels here where they have chunks taken out on the side of them and as kieth said there 90 shore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Lesson learned, don't buy Keith's wheels Just kidding elf, is there a way that you know of to determine a material's abrasion resistance, a question I could ask of the manufacturers or suppliers perhaps? I see new rubber products on the suppliers' websites and offer sheets all the time but have no idea if they're any good and the reps never seem to know - most of them would probably tell you they're really good products anyway just to get the sale Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I have no idea how you could take lumps out of the contact wheels unless they have been abused in some way or form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Lesson learned, don't buy Keith's wheels Just kidding elf, is there a way that you know of to determine a material's abrasion resistance, a question I could ask of the manufacturers or suppliers perhaps? I see new rubber products on the suppliers' websites and offer sheets all the time but have no idea if they're any good and the reps never seem to know - most of them would probably tell you they're really good products anyway just to get the sale Rick. I suppose you could ask for samples Rick and try them on a scouring band. Whether or not you would get any is another thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 you already know the answer to this rick the more the rubber smokes when you sour it the better the wear i.e the more carbon content in the rubber the better it will wear. as for which is the best to use or buy there are many factors to think about i.e are they heavy on there feet do they walk everywhere . kieth I did say they were old wheels I found them in a box out the back no idea how the chunks were taken out but someone at one time has had a bad time with them as all the parts are either damaged or snapped and they have tried welding them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 elf, I know about how to determine abrasion resistance for myself, my point was how do I get the suppliers or reps to be able to tell me what it's like before I buy it? Cheers. Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_ Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 elf, I know about how to determine abrasion resistance for myself, my point was how do I get the suppliers or reps to be able to tell me what it's like before I buy it? Cheers. Rick. You need to find a supplier / rep that you can trust! (Not an easy task), then ask the right questions. For example I only stock materials that I would use myself (infact my father does). I have a business ethic like repairers should have; if you want them to come back then use good materials! Ask for a sample of any new products and test them for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_ Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Also, it does make me laugh when suppliers send out reps who haven't got a clue about shoe repairs to sell materials! They haven't got a clue when asked anything technical, so what's the point in sending them out to talk....well a load of cobblers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 how many honest sales reps do you know . they are mostly paid a poor wage and commison so there job is to sell not advise and the more they sell the better the bonus so in theoy they could sell you they most expensive heels but not the best. as paul said the only real way of knowing is to try them for yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Scouring materials is not the best way of judging it imho, it won't tell you all the characteristics of the material and how suitible it might be for your use and your customers. Ask for a few samples and try them on some customers you know well or your own footwear would be my advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Paul/elf =D> =D> =D> Our new rep doesn't know anything at all about the shoe repair trade and asking him anything is just pointless. He actually asked ME what sort of quantities his various stock comes in, surely he should know that as part of his job? Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_ Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Paul/elf =D> =D> =D> Our new rep doesn't know anything at all about the shoe repair trade and asking him anything is just pointless. He actually asked ME what sort of quantities his various stock comes in, surely he should know that as part of his job? Rick. My advice is to find a new supplier of your materials! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 (NOT DEAD YET) Yes i did know the answer rick but I wasn't asked. Problem solved by the chart but elfmans words of wisdom are probably more important than the scale. (1st time posting for 12 years and get bloody pestered by a "Cookies policy", if I dont accept I get excommunicated, please stick it somewhere else Lee its invasive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 please stick it somewhere else Lee its invasive. Just keeping in line with privacy laws, don't blame me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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