perros Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Quick question - I took a pair of welted shoes in to be resoled (at a local independent) and they came back with stitching going through the insole. Is that normal? To me it seems to undo the effort that was put into building welted shoes in the first place. -Perros- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 sounds like the soles may have been stitched using a different stitcher to original, but it could be that what you've perceived as a welt is in fact a trim designed to look like a welt & the original soles may never have been stitched via a welt. can you take some images & show us? or at least tell us the make & model of the shoes, to help assess the way they "should" have been repaired? Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perros Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Clarks crafting life Like these but brown: http://www.clarks.co.uk/p/20348133 -Perros- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 well from the link it would indicate they are indeed welted & shouldn't have been repaired the way they have. Was this the first repair? had you worn them significantly, perhaps wearing the welt at the toes etc? Or was this a routine resole? Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Sounds like blatant misuse of a BLAKE to me. That's why I hate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I have had to Blake soles on a couple of times recently due to the customer not willing to pay out for re-welting, but I will always explain what I am going to do first and will only do it if absolutely necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofatbyfar Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I have had to Blake soles on a couple of times recently due to the customer not willing to pay out for re-welting, but I will always explain what I am going to do first and will only do it if absolutely necessary. gray cant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 customer willing to pay or not does not matter you should not blake a goodyear welted shoe at anytime it will couse more problems than fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 if welt is only damaged at toe you can always splice a piece in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 totally agree Elf, I was just trying to get the back end story, before offering to do these on behalf of the trade!. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damen.rudi Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 When I cannot stitch the shoe goodyear because of a bad welt, several times already stitched or... I just pull off the sole and glue another on. It"s better to glue a sole right onto the welt and if necessary replace the korkinlay then to stitch them blake. Stitching the shoe with a blake ruines the stitches wherewith the outsole is attached to the welt. Over here in Belgium we have to repair goodyears too but often the manufacturer has scoured the welt so small that the needle will destroy the welt completely. The only option here is to get off the sole and glue another one on to it. Have done it often and even had to resole them afterwards. No problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Churches do a welted shoe, that has so little welt, neither they or the repairer can stitch them & they are bonded from original. But with the link to these clarks they are clearly stitched originally so I suspect (but would be interested to see some pictures or handle the shoes) this was an inappropriate repair. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 If the welt is damaged, coming away, needs replacing & the customer is not willing to pay for a proper repair then I would refuse the job. My reputation as a top quality shoe repair is worth more than a few quid in the till for a bodge job. I had a woman bring in 3 pair of Jeffrey wests about two years ago, all 3 had been repaired before and all 3 were wrecked because of bad craftmanship, scoured welt stitches, blaked on welted, and just general trash repair. I told the woman that in order to repair them properly it would cost approx £150 a pair, and showed her the damage. she took them away to ask her husband. He came in about 3 weeks later with another pair of J. Wests for there first repair, and we had a conversation about the other shoes, and I explained in some detail about shoe construction. I repaired his shoes with a "V" joint at the waist, exactley the same as the manufacturer, they were the boll***s and he was thrilled with them. since then I have sold that business, to another repairer, but the customer still comes to me even though its a 50 mile round trip for him. Blaking welted shoes is not exceptable in any circumstance... And Grey, there is nothing wrong with a Blake machine, it is a must in the complete professional repairers workshop.. you just have to know when to use it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 perhaps the thing to do is to get the shoe from the customer & show some pictures.got to agree with wage slave bout blaking welted shoes,look at some of the samuel windsors .i had a brand new pair in customer wanted stick on soles took them out of the box pulled the front of them welt stitching was so slack you could see the holes told him to send them back but to keep the bag they came in.also told him that if the person who made the bag had made the shoes he wouldnt have to send them back the truth is in a perfect world we would all rewelt them no way would a windsor wearer pay to have them rewelted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Blimey, quick question asking for a quick answer and look what happens. Has Perros been back for an answer? Will they understand all the bits of answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Just depends what your business ethics are I suppose!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Quick question - I took a pair of welted shoes in to be resoled (at a local independent) and they came back with stitching going through the insole. Is that normal? saves having to unpick the old stitching ffs THIS IS A NONO! Under NO circumstances would i contemplate blaking a welted shoe. carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 . Blaking welted shoes is not exceptable in any circumstance... And Grey, there is nothing wrong with a Blake machine, it is a must in the complete professional repairers workshop.. you just have to know when to use it!! I concur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 when i worked for timmies we had a fimac that was called "blakes 7" 3 stitches round the inside 1 round the toe &3 round the outside (let him who is without sin cast the first stone.or should be that stitch ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 blake7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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