tommy Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Hi Guys, I'm having trouble sticking soles to a pair of "Josef Seible" "european comfort shoe" It seems like a very waxy PVC with bits of cork embedded in it I have tried stick tests with both yellow and green rehgol primer and no primer at all with bostik 5050 Never had fun like this, trying to stick something in 20 years Any ideas Thanks Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 they are thermoplastic rubber. TR primer Rehagol yellow, then your regular TR glue. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 O' and don't over do the heat! barely enough to get them to bond, otherwise they lift & 5050 won't do them. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3261&hilit=clarks+glue Some tips on this thread might help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Thanks Lee, Do you mean 5050 will not do them or too much heat and 5050 will not do them? I do not have any or ever needed any other plastic glue other than 5050 Cheers paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 they are not plastic they are thermoplastic. you'll need a TR adhesive & 5050 doesn't work (I also use this) I use Renia SYNTIC Total for all my TR work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Thanks Lee Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 elfmans tip on Kumzoff with a suede brush from the link given works as well, might be worth a try with your 5050 before getting a new glue that your not used to?????? Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Bostick 50/50 will do them. Renia Rehagol first leave to dry for 5 mins then 50/50 leave to dry, reheat, press on low pressure. Don't listen to Lee he swallowed an insect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I agree. renia rehagol bostic 50/50 shouldn't have any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I'm afraid that for this particular pair of shoes that 50/50 and Renia Rehagol are barely holding the sole on and a weak tug and it is clean off so Lee must be on to something. Before now I have never needed any more than 6092, 5055, green and yellow Renia primers, Now I am half wat through reading the other thread but can anyone tell me the best way to identify thermoplastic? The only thing I can think of with these shoes is that when grinding away from the wheel it still seems to smeer itself back into the sole if that makes sense (like you would expect it to do if you ground down with the wheel rather than away from) Cheers Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I only use 5050 on pvc. I did a pair of these last week and yellow rehagol and 6092, no problems Prime soles, leave for 5 mins. coat shoes and soles with 6092, leave for 5-10mins, heat soles as normal then put shoes under for 5-10 secs but keep them moving and press as normal. Seems to work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 AhHa different stuff to TR, If its that horrible stuff that melts and runs and burns like feck if it gets in your skin I just scour most of it away and use 50/50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 TR can be identified like this, both PVC & TR reflect light on the surface after preperation (rather than matt like rubber) to identify which you have, use Renia deSohl (kumzoff) & flex the sole or ideally those little squares that appear in the heels, leave a little showing & then dribble a small amount of deSohl on an area, flexed sole or give the square a bit of pressure, if it melts its TR if the solvent stripper runs off its PVC. but either way you can use the same cleaner to prep the surface as per Elfmans Suggestion, I used this method for quite a while before remembering to order some primer! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Also TR scours like little bits and sticks all over your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Also TR scours like little bits and sticks all over your face. FACE, ARMS, JUMPERS, MACHINE & BACK OF THE BANDS, get it right mate & before Keith chips in about his latest machine sucking the debris away, thats just bollocks & he knows it is when it comes to TR. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Sorry, FACE, ARMS, JUMPERS, MACHINE & BACK OF THE BANDS. I've got a new bag on my machine and I have to strap myself in for fear of getting sucked into the machine...........Still get covered in bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Am92 Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I always leave tr primer for at least 15 mins,as it says on the bottle then coat with 50/50,never had a problem. Wouldn't have thought using a neoprene on tr would work but then I've never tried it. You can guarantee while your scouring tr and you're covered head to toe in the stuff someone comes in for watch battery ,out comes the hoover with brush attachment(don't get to excited you guys from the valleys,stick to sheep,I know they can nip but that's half the fun so I've been told) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I use an air hose, blasts the stuff off real quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 For the record, the problem with TR is that it becomes highly electro-static once scoured, therefore it will stick to the first thing that earths it! For example, hands, arms, machine, etc TR has a habit of clogging the bands which is the most annoying thing, but there is something you can do that helps, make sure you have a nice NEW band on so it cuts the TR rather than grind, this way it doesn't create the heat that makes it worse Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Nice post to sell new bands keef a new band makes bigger bits, although I do concur... Stick a new band on then swap back to an old one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Nowt to do with selling bands Gray just trying to help you all with the TR issue. I agree, if you really want to get a month out of your bands put the 'old' one back on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 only a month no wonder I look like a fully moulded sole by the time I've finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy Posted December 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 I am having a nightmare with these shoes still. I bought some cumzoff from Birch's and used it as per Elfman's instuctions (there is no residue to brush off on these shoes) and the suff comes clean off easily. I have tried every permitation to no avail. I have done stick tests with cumzoff with and without primer (green and yellow) 50/50 and 6092 with rubber and plastic (also tried a old tin of Megabond I found in the shop). I have on its way a tin of syntic total and would appreciate advice on use (ie minimum heat and use of primers) Also, having emailed the shoe manufacturers I received a phone call today from them. They said the shoes are sold as eco friendly from recycled thermo rubber (not sure they are rubber, it looks and acts like plastic but just will not let the glue work) and do not advise customers to have these resoled (now they tell me) as nothing they know of will stick to them ( they are stitched to the upper) Here is a link to a similar pair - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Josef-Seibel- ... 45fd894b3d Regards Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 ok tommy send em to me and i will have a look and try it out for you .you pay the postage and we will call it quits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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