gav Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Would health and safety allow this to be used these days? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Shoe-repair-machi ... 2eb50aba58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 I got one of them in my Dads shed, he uses it regularly to do shoes for a few locals near him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Would health and safety allow this to be used these days? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Shoe-repair-machi ... 2eb50aba58 yes so long as you dont switch it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 At £25 quid it's worth it for the botttom scouring roll for competition work... just keep it in your garage though. What model No is it Keith? Maybe Bry an designed it when he was an apprentice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 could be worth the £25 for the pad wheels and the iron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 pity it hasnt got the oscilating attatchment for that bottem wheel hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 I'm on holiday and refuse to be drawn on such matters, for the record, it would cost more for a scrap dealer to collect it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 pity it hasnt got the oscilating attatchment for that bottem wheel hugh Last Oscillating one I used elfman was at Church's but you dont need it for the occasional competition job. I would bet that 99% of repairers still working under the age of 60 have never seen one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I would bet that 99% of repairers still working under the age of 60 have never seen one. Very true. For me at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 In my opinion, I would prefer to see great work turned out on modern machinery, it's a far better measure of current skill sets in the real world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Absolutely! What possible reason could there be to make you want to use such an outdated machine anyway??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 are we gonna start this again if it works why bin it? carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 if it works why bin it? FFS, Just take a look at it. Bin it because it's out dated, inefficient, and probably hazardous to the operator (on dust extraction grounds if nothing else). Bin it because any shop worth it's salt should be doing enough repairs to be able to afford to upgrade from this relic. Bin it because if you look at any successful business in our trade, (independant or otherwise) they will have bright, clean, modern premises, promoting a forward thinking, entrepreneurial attitude, not a dusty, cluttered old pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 bloody handy in a garage! I had one when I first started doing stuff on the side, then we used it for polishing engine parts, eventually dismantling it because the solid rods that held it together where Ideal for rolling heavy machinery about with. The rods are still in my Dads garage & have come in handy on numerous occassions! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 IT SOLD! £25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Yeah, Hugh bought it for his competition work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 not getting drawn into the debate keiyh you have already by commenting as for the machine yes it is an old one but if it does its job then whats the problem if its on health and safty grounds then that is a nonsense if h and s was around years ago we would not have what we have today as for the comment on new machines being better then that might be a valid point to you as you are one of the main suppliers to the trade so that could be a bias oppinion as for the skills base you know as well as i do that a lot of the skills have been lost over the years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 In my opinion, I would prefer to see great work turned out on modern machinery, it's a far better measure of current skill sets in the real world! While this is true to a certain extent, there is a limit as to what you can acheive on a modern machine, extra skill for competition work comes from hand tools and not machinery. The Waist grafting nowadays by the competition winners is tenfold better than it was 30/40/50 years ago, machinery takes no part in sciving waists, so skills in one respect are much better, though in others sadly lacking. Machinery is better, the current Standard Machines are far superior to any previous models for todays trading needs. Speed is of paramount importance, so to is the health & safety of the operator along with the physical size of the machine. Smaller premises mean smaller machines, cant seem to envisage the single shaft multi component machines fitting into a Shopping Mall. On saying that there is still a need for the old finishers, if I had room in my garage I would have one just for the reason Lee had his. I miss the use of a Naumkeg for rust removal and shaping wood. Brilliant though the modern machines are some would still like to have access to the old 100/200/500 WHB finishers when the need arises, ie the curved wheel for Cuban Heels. The bottom scouring roll for marked soles or competitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 I have to agree with some of the above, but I think you have missed my point. I never said that one or other machine was better or worse, I just want to see current machines being used. I agree that certain jobs can be done easier on some old machines, but the idea of competitions in my book is to test current standards, using modern machines which are being used in current market conditions. This is the only way to assess the trade today and help us work on improving standards going forward. By identifying the weakness, we can improve our quality, that's why all repaired should enter the competitions,, you all have something to offer and help improve our trade! Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 A good point Keithm, presently those with modern machines that do not have Profile Cutters and Irons are at a dissadvantage on the points. Edge finishing should be on the overall shape, smoothness flowing into the heel block, plus the colour and gloss. Unless the Judges move away from the "Tram Lines" finishes that Profile cutters give then a whole block of entries lose valuable points even though the rest of the repair is 1st class. There is an art in using a tungsten cutter to give a finish that does not look as though it has been scoured on the smooth band yet so many entries had flared edges due to incorrect use of the movable guard and an edge shield that was far too small. The Goal Posts have to be moved to allow a different finishing technique. Artistic merit should play a bigger part, personally I would like to see a move away from the bland perfectionist jobs and a more open competition. we seem to have lost the Art work that that was prominent years ago, the Artistic talents are still there but not being applied to a shoe repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 back to the wee machine theres a guy close to me who has one similar bit bigger/longer and he uses it for finishing belt edges. why the feck would he want to spend 7grand on a finisher to do the job hes been doing for years on a machine that costs not a lot I would not have this in my shop nor would any of you guys but as Lee/Hugh says its ideal to have in garage for speciaist needs. carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autolock Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 i used to help out in a repair shop that had one of these 27 years ago he also had an old simplex outsole stitcher and he used to turn out a good job.he also lived well into his 90s so it dident seem to do his health any harm LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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