Danny King Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Hi, What are we charging for these keys at mo... We are £5 but thinking this isnt enough as the cost price for the new footy ones are rather expensive... Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Hi, What are we charging for these keys at mo... We are £5 but thinking this isnt enough as the cost price for the new footy ones are rather expensive... Thanks sks cool keys £6 disney licenced etc £7.50 craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 i charge £5 for them too Danny,but will be charging around £7 for the new football ones,Birthday's card shops are selling the disney keys at £5 uncut,so maybe we should charge more,i keep meaning to go into the local Celtic shop to find out how much they are charging for the new Stadium keys,but as a Rangers fan can't bring myself to enter such a place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discodave Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 is it not against the law to sell an uncut key? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 is it not against the law to sell an uncut key? what makes you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discodave Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 think sks told me but not sure which is why i was asking. i know its illegal to copy a key without the owner of the locks consent and would of thought that this would be covered within that law as why would anyone need to buy an uncut key as they would have the original if it was for their door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 discodave » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:01 pm is it not against the law to sell an uncut key? why would it be? it wont work in any lock, unless the lock is faulty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Not sure about the legal issue of selling key blanks but we recieved a visit from the local police force over 15-20 years ago asking that we never issue keyblanks to the public and we have stuck to that ever since. The only people i will supply key blanks to are other locksmiths or keycutters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 It doesn't require much of a search on ebay to find plenty of key blanks for sale... we recieved a visit from the local police force over 15-20 years agoasking that we never issue keyblanks to the public Did the Police give a reason as to why they thought you shouldn't sell blanks? If so, I'd be interested to know what it was. I struggle to see what the problem is if a member of the public were to buy a blank key. As previously mentioned, a blank won't open a lock,and what are the chances of the average man in the street being able to cut the key himself to turn it into a working key that will open the lock? It's all unnecessary scaremongering & rubbish, imho Anyway, back to the point, Disney keys (and the new football ones when they eventually come in) £7.50. Standard cylinder funkeys £5, mortice £5.95 - £7.95. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaloti Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 is it not against the law to sell an uncut key? Bloody wholesalers get away with bloody murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 funkeys are £5 cyl & £6 mortice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 cylinder funkey £4.95 cylinder disney etc £5.95 cylinder stadium £6.95 cylinder glokey £5.95 mortice funkey £6.95 mortice glokey £7.95 or kool kapz £1.99 or £1.00 when you have a key cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 As far as I know there is no restiction on selling a balnk, but in this age of bumpkeys they need to get the material someplace - I agree you can get anything on flebay - but that is no excuse to indiscriminately flog stock. Just need to use judgement. as for it being illegal to cut a key without the owners permission where did that come from? how do you know the person in front of you does/doesent own the key/lock/safe? are you about to make them produce the deeds to the house and 3 forms of identity? MLA members used to ask for an indemnity to be signed for restricted and safe keys but I don't know if that still happens. If you give a key to someone, friend, employee, gardener, postman - you run the risk of having that key copied which is why there are restricted section keys about and plonkas that then cut them on easi entry machines breeching the patent........... I would also suggest that you are careful about swopping key cutting information - great to get a market feel - but each area can stand differing price ranges and you may also be treading close to price fixing - which of course is not the intention of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 I of course meant key cutting pricing not information in the reply above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 In reply to your question steven, the local police force arrested a known local villain on the local caravan park (thorpe park in cleethorpes) in his backpack he had a full set of mc caravan keys a set of lock picks and numerous keyblanks. As my dad had a few friends in the local police force they visited us and asked if we had supplied the blanks or had ever been asked to supply them. They then asked us not to supply anyone else unless in the trade and we have done this ever since, one lucky benefit was 6 months later we were called upon again by the police and asked if we wanted the mc keys,blanks,picks and a pair of bolt croppers they had found at his address so it seemed only fair we complied with there request. We have been the only key supplier to our local force ever since and the only work we don't do is there cell door work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 I will only stock the Funkey range that is profile specific (i.e. 1A, 35B, 36M etc, charges are: £5 for Cylinder £6 for steel mortice £7 for brass mortice Cutting of fancy universal profiles don't happen in my shop on the principle that they are not the correct profile for the lock & are a weak product by design. ........but in this age of bumpkeys they need to get the material someplace A blank isn't necessarily required to produce a Bumpkey, TECHNICAL DETAILS REMOVED BY MODERATOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 If you give a key to someone, friend, employee, gardener, postman - you run the risk of having that key copied which is why there are restricted section keys about and plonkas that then cut them on easi entry machines breeching the patent........... so according to you i must be one of the PLONKAS as i have a easi entrie machine and loke it what a money maker and copying these restricted blanks is not in breach of the patent as it scans the key and mills a similar blank but for example in a security key with a lot of flutes it will mill two together making a different key so not a copy of the patent key and coinsadentaly it goes in and works and thats what i charge for.their is a lot of restricted locks in my area but the guy that had them has closed down and nobody can cut them apart from me on my easi entrie machine so i certinaly aint a PLONKA. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Calm down dear. I don't think Mick was having a go at you personally Craig and you ain't a Plonka. You give out loads of advice on here you are a wealth of knowledge and it's all welcome. We can separate the wheat from the chaff. Know what I mean? Christ got a bit deep there even for me. It only started out as a FunKey thread,post,thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 sorry to hijack the thread. I was not havin a go at anyone special just plonkas in general. I recently was asked for an expert opinion into an esientried key that had breached a customers security - he had purchased a protected system and a trademan who had been asked to work at night had the key copied, a while after he finished and handed back the key he was caught on a new cctv system installed after he had finished removing 250K worth of computers and stock. The owner was considering suing the key cutter - for breaching his patented system and causing the theft of stock etc much of which is still unaccounted for as the thief was clever enough to distibute it the same night. Fortunately for me I felt underqualified to advise - I look forward to the case and someone being bankrupted, hope its not someone I know - I have no idea where, when, who or why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 sorry to hijack the thread.I was not havin a go at anyone special just plonkas in general. I recently was asked for an expert opinion into an esientried key that had breached a customers security - he had purchased a protected system and a trademan who had been asked to work at night had the key copied, a while after he finished and handed back the key he was caught on a new cctv system installed after he had finished removing 250K worth of computers and stock. The owner was considering suing the key cutter - for breaching his patented system and causing the theft of stock etc much of which is still unaccounted for as the thief was clever enough to distibute it the same night. Fortunately for me I felt underqualified to advise - I look forward to the case and someone being bankrupted, hope its not someone I know - I have no idea where, when, who or why. i would be very interested in the outcome of this if you find out. either on here pm or email as i really looked into this hard before investing in the machine if the key was cut on speed profile 2 then the cutter would not have breached any copyright as he has produced a similar key that will work but not an exact copy. i do stand to be corected on this but it was what i was told. craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 I wasn't given the finer detail, but reading between the lines the breach of copyright was not the main, but a seperate issue - The fact that the key was clearly a patented key and that the person copying that should have know this fact and had a duty of care in indiscriminate cutting of such a key without proof of ownership. I did ask to be kept informed but solicitors........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 Have to agree with mick on this one,as i also own an easy entrie machine but it is very underused due to the fact we will never knowingly cut any patented key using this machine and only registered keys when the security period has come to and end i.e Evva gpi sections. I myself have 5 differnet sections and would be furious if anybody tried to duplicate any of them which is why i now have my own abus pfaffenhain system with a bent profile key that cannot be duplicated in the easi entrie machine. It is why a lot of other locksmiths are also joining the abus pfaffenhain route. I don't mean any disrespect to you in any way craig but as mick said you have to take each key you cut on its own merits and if not sure if a key is patented then its your choice as to wether you cut it or not. In these difficult times you need all the income you can get but it depends on how you view the moral ground this argument enters.I am not a member of the mla although i did join the guild of keycutters a few years ago but i now a lot of members who are friends and through my own choice have adopted their thoughts on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 I'm afraid I'm no longer a member of the MLA since yesterday - £176 for membership was a cheque too far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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