Which one ??

[Craig Gardner]

What about the Era 3 with the P-Box.. been told this does more than anything else, thanks for your replies so far...

 

£2,115 + Vat including key board, 150 blades, 5 crypto heads, 5 eho2 heads... Thoughts.

 

keep away from battery heads and if you only want to clone ie press read write then id 46 clone is not for you as you willk have to go to car to get data and most peooplke want resal button keys anyway so the cheapest option would be a trs5000 plus tpx box that will allow copying onto real chips and not battewry head keys. but if you were tomove onto programming keys in the future you would be better to buy the zed bull or ad900.

craig

[D-Power]

 

 

The only thing I was aware of, was when using the KL heads, they use the head and copy key in the ignition, not a snoop or TPX3 chip and not with the original key either (I think ??) , Hence in turn sometimes when turning the ignition on / off / on etc. the car itself would lock down as it did think it was being stolen ! The car then re-sets around 1/2 hour or so . Not sure if this is the issue you may know of ?

 

 

 

this can be an issue on some Renault vehicles and on some Mitsubishi if you don't pay attention during the capture procedure.

 

The use of KL head with the original keys can produces some interference due to signal overlap of the two keys, it seems to me that something like this is reported on KL Decryptor manual or in the manual of other devices that uses KL keys, but I'm not sure.

 

The advantage of Snoop and TPX3 during the capture procedure is that they only listen passively the data exchange between car and original key, the vehicle doesn't recognize the presence of the Snoop and TPX3, so for the IMMO system nothing of strange happens, it's records only that the ignition lock was switched ON with a valid key.

 

Note: I'm not 100% sure that TPX3 is completely passive during the learning procedure, we will test this when they will be available.

 

An advantage of Snoop is that you can know when the learning procedure has been done succesfully, with the oters two sytems you cannot be sure.

The learning procedure needs at least 2 valid capture for Silca, 3 valid captures for KL and 4 valid captures for JMA, for some vehicles (generally peugeot and some Citroen) is necessary to wait from one to two minutes to capture two or more valid captures, so bacause from KL and TPX3 there isn't indications about captured data, the procedure can be a bit more complicated.

 

And as said by John, the advantage of JMA is in the use on true transponder chips.

[D-Power]

you as you willk have to go to car to get data and most peooplke want resal button keys anyway so the cheapest option would be a trs5000 plus tpx box that will allow copying onto real chips and not battewry head keys. but if you were tomove onto programming keys in the future you would be better to buy the zed bull or ad900.

craig

 

I agree wit you, but the capture data procedure is not so complicated, I' think is quite more easier than programming with diagnostic device, and no pincode, no in-out code is needed, so you can make a functional key in minutes instead of hours or days if you need to wait the PIN.

 

There's a lot of vehicles that uses original keys without buttons, so in many cases with the cloning option you can propose to a customer a functional keys for few bucks, and in case of buttoned keys you can propose two alternatives, a simple button-less key for few money or a more expensive solution programming via diagnostic device a genuine replacement key.

[Craig Gardner]

you as you willk have to go to car to get data and most peooplke want resal button keys anyway so the cheapest option would be a trs5000 plus tpx box that will allow copying onto real chips and not battewry head keys. but if you were tomove onto programming keys in the future you would be better to buy the zed bull or ad900.

craig

 

I agree wit you, but the capture data procedure is not so complicated, I' think is quite more easier than programming with diagnostic device, and no pincode, no in-out code is needed, so you can make a functional key in minutes instead of hours or days if you need to wait the PIN.

 

There's a lot of vehicles that uses original keys without buttons, so in many cases with the cloning option you can propose to a customer a functional keys for few bucks, and in case of buttoned keys you can propose two alternatives, a simple button-less key for few money or a more expensive solution programming via diagnostic device a genuine replacement key.

 

 

pin codes are not hard to get and if the customer doesnt want a button key and the car is capable of working without buttons it would be much cheaper just to programme in a basic key with a chip and not use battery head keys.

 

craig

[Guest NPXT]

 

 

pin codes are not hard to get and if the customer doesnt want a button key and the car is capable of working without buttons it would be much cheaper just to programme in a basic key with a chip and not use battery head keys.

 

craig

 

I am very interested to get pin code from most car easily , actually for me It's very hard to get pin code .

often I need get pin code reading eeprom (TM-PRO2/ICC are my tools), this procedure is very complicated , you need to find Immobilizer , remove immobilizer , unsolder eeprom , read eeeprom , solder again , reassemble immobilizer and sometimes the dealers are not happy if you touching the electronic device because the warranty is void .

Only some models you can get pin code by OBD (SBB - MVP) .

 

Do you have other method to get pin code?

Could you share with us what are your devices?

[ironplanet uk900]

Is the key crypt pro any good, it seems a cheeper option & seems to do all that the others do in-shop,,,

[D-Power]

...it seems a cheeper option & seems to do all that the others do in-shop,,,

 

to clone ID46 keys, with key crypt pro also you need to go on the car.

[Technical Tony original]

Is the key crypt pro any good, it seems a cheeper option & seems to do all that the others do in-shop,,,

 

I know this is almost the same as the Zed bull (Still awaiting ID46 upgrade) - even more so with all the add ons for key diagnostics as well. But I think with all the add on's the Key crypt (And AD900 Pro same machine I believe) starts to get expensive - even for in shop work only ! BUT I may be wrong ? and you still need to go to the car as well.

[Craig Gardner]

Is the key crypt pro any good, it seems a cheeper option & seems to do all that the others do in-shop,,,

 

key crypt pro is a ad100 with another badge on it db is to expensive lockdecoders and advamced keys both sell at the same price

 

id46 is available now on the key crypt pro and ad100 but i will never use it

craig

[lockdecoders]

thanks for all the replies, still not sure of the best one to go for to be honest....

 

 

Will give you a call tomorrow.

 

Pete

[kingkey]

Is the key crypt pro any good, it seems a cheeper option & seems to do all that the others do in-shop,,,

 

key crypt pro is a ad100 with another badge on it db is to expensive lockdecoders and advamced keys both sell at the same price

 

id46 is available now on the key crypt pro and ad100 but i will never use it

craig

 

the key crypt is not anything like the ad100, advanced sell the ad 900 which is the same as the keycrypt.

HTH

[ironplanet uk900]

[Lee]

you may bang your head at a brick wall, but it proves something! there are many options out there, ALL selling, so take advice & choose the one that best suits your needs.

With so many already doing chipped keys & remotes it shows the only thing standing in your way is your own inabilities! We've always been adapted to changing in this industry, so why has the transponder caused us so much anguish !

 

Lee

[hibsjo(SCO)]

Craig obviously meant ad900(not ad100)easy mistake

the ad900 pro and ket crypt pro are the same machine fully loaded 1425 plus vat as far as im concerned thats pretty good for what it is.

id46 is a pain in the arse as has been said before snoop device a half way house for wannabees!

get your money out uk and go for ad900 or KCP

carry on!

[kleidaras]

does anyone know something about new BIANCHI 884 and new remote control RK60 from keyline?

 

 

http://www.sotiropoulosfs.gr/images/upl ... LTREGA.PPT

This brochure is in Greek language but you can't see the picture.

[jkamboj]

I recently purchased RW4 plus and having problem in cloning ID 46 keys (late models of Chrysler and Dodge).

 

Have any one faced the same problem as I do. I have also posted a detailed post about it on this forum.

 

Jaswant Kamboj

[Carlito]

have a look at this brochure

 

http://web.keyline.it/eng/news/news.asp

[Guest Barak]

how can I get car list that the ls7 + tx4 can make?

 

thanks

[Fast Fix Elgin]

Okay Planet looks like we are on the same page about the transponder tech minefield

 

So you jump in first and tell me what its like

[lockdecoders]

...it seems a cheeper option & seems to do all that the others do in-shop,,,

 

to clone ID46 keys, with key crypt pro also you need to go on the car.

 

Unfortunately all the 46 cloning on all cloning tools you need to go to the car.

Step 1. Clone original key to copy key/snoop. This has written page 1.

Step 2. By putting this copy key/snoop in to the ignition the car spits out page 2.

Step 3. Programs now calculate page 3 and write it.

 

Wish it could be just a straight copy like 4D transponders but no luck so far so. This is the best alternative we all have.

[keymaster]

I think the TMPro2 is the best.

Worck with TPX and TPH clonners and copy without need precodet transponders

[burghlocks]

I recently bought the zedbull and think its a great machine, when I bought it I was 50/50 with the ad900 / keycrypt machine, but decided on zedbull, now starting to regret that choice with the release of the precoding software for VAG on the AD900, but hey what can you do!

 

I think the arguments for and against will always persist as each machine is developed and improved, its just a case of jumping in and learning as much as you can as you go along,

[Guest Cjm]

You might find this PDF useful, it shows the 884 as a comparison against the other models in the market.

 

 

does anyone know something about new BIANCHI 884 and new remote control RK60 from keyline?

 

 

http://www.sotiropoulosfs.gr/images/upl ... LTREGA.PPT

This brochure is in Greek language but you can't see the picture.

884_compare (3).pdf

[lockdecoders]

You might find this PDF useful, it shows the 884 as a comparison against the other models in the market.

 

 

does anyone know something about new BIANCHI 884 and new remote control RK60 from keyline?

 

 

http://www.sotiropoulosfs.gr/images/upl ... LTREGA.PPT

This brochure is in Greek language but you can't see the picture.

 

Hi. There are a number of errors here.

Obviously although we dont do the Zed bull i can see them also have a number of issues with this.

 

Texas stand alone with no internet... You have us as no and we do this also with no internet with a module.

90% decrypted in less than 30 seconds.....You have us as no and with us can can do from 1 sec onwards

aIn the philips 2nd generation you have 90% decrypted in less thatn 1 minute ... You have us as no and with the tpx3 and is under 50 seconds.

You have rs232 and us as no... well this is good as RS232 is old technology so of course we wouldnt have it.

 

Maybe before you post something like this you contact the manufacturers and not just put this incorrect info on.

[Andy_Davenport]

Lockdecoders - The data supplied by Chris was researched by Keyline, not Davenports. If the data supplied by Keyline is incorrect regarding your product then please forward us your'e own product specification and if possible data analysing your product against other current transponder solutions. This would be of great help as we're working on our comparison document but only if the data is up to date can we do this effectively. Please forward any information to charlotte@davenport-burgess.com.

 

Many thanks, Andy.