D-Power Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 I will be curious to see the differences between the Zedd-Bull electronic board and that of AD900, I'm curious to see the differences between the firmwares also... I think I'm not wrong if I say that Zed-Bull and AD900pro are close the same machine. We all know that the Z-Qx and the AD90 was the same machine, the first was build and sold by Istanbul Anahtar, the second was build by Istanbul Anahtar and sold by AD. After the Z-Qx project some people of IA have left the factory and started doing transponder programming machines in independently way, for example someone have built a machine called Trasnpronic that looks like the AD900pro. Is for this that Zed-Bull and AD900pro are very similar on functionalities: the basic hardware and software is the same. So in my opinion, (the opinion of a competitor of both machines) is that Z-Bull is better than AD900pro, and I think that Z-Bull will be always a step ahead of AD900. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Thats fair comment,(good to know what Silca think) however its a personal thing "service" and this I feel I get with the back up on AD products. carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 i thinks it a case of sitting back and waiting for me, anyway probably find youll be part exchanging your zed bull or AD900 within 12 months for the next super machine to come along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 i thinks it a case of sitting back and waiting for me, anyway probably find youll be part exchanging your zed bull or AD900 within 12 months for the next super machine to come along i just ordered the ad900 today so i can try it out and if i like it i will buy another 2 as i have 2 more shops due to open january and march next year. ill let you know how i find the machine. craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 i thinks it a case of sitting back and waiting for me, anyway probably find youll be part exchanging your zed bull or AD900 within 12 months for the next super machine to come along i just ordered the ad900 today so i can try it out and if i like it i will buy another 2 as i have 2 more shops due to open january and march next year. ill let you know how i find the machine. craig best of luck with the shops craig, i cant justify the expenditure at the moment so will stick with my RW4. if your doing loads of cars then you must move with the times to stay competitve, but at the moment ill sit and wait for the feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbes Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 further to this with Terry's permission, can i post the log file of mine and terry's conversation to show the ad900 makers in thier true colours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Permission Granted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbes Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Thanks m8 basicly terry asked for my help with a file from a truck. Unkown to terry he was getting suckered into helping the AD900 authors add modules to their tool with no work from themselves [18] Terry: Hiya Jeff [18] Terry: how's tricks [18] jbes: hi m8 [18] Terry: I have a dump from a MAN truck, can you help me find key logic please [18] jbes: as long its for you and nobody else yes [18] Terry: forget it Jeff, it was Aytac asking [18] jbes: hehehe thought as much m8 [18] jbes: having it all the time [18] Terry: told him no Basicly for a few months, friends and people i have no idea who they are have been asking for help. Here is the msn chat which took place between terry and Aytac, published with terry's permission, as he is the innocent party and just thought he was helping someone. (18:30) Aytac: hi Terry (18:30) Aytac: how are you ? (18:30) Terry Field: Hiya, very well thanks (18:31) Aytac: do you have a solution for MAN TGA module ? (18:32) Terry Field: no I don't TGA, is that for MAN trucks (18:32) Aytac: yes (18:33) Aytac: can you ask to Jeff without telling my name ? (18:35) Terry Field: not sure, I'll see (18:36) Aytac: ok (18:36) Aytac: (18:36) Aytac: Initiated a file transfer (18:36) Aytac: this is the dump (18:36) You have successfully received C:\Documents and Settings\Elite\My Documents\My Received Files\MAN_410_FFR_ECU_95256_SET.BIN from Aytac. (18:36) Aytac: a track is waiting tis key in istanbul (18:39) Terry Field: kk (18:43) Terry Field: hi (18:44) Aytac: hi (18:44) Terry Field: Jeff says "as long its for you and nobody else yes" (18:44) Terry Field: Jeff is a good friend of mine (18:44) Aytac: ok (18:45) Terry Field: I don't want to upset him (18:45) Aytac: ok no problem Terry (18:45) Aytac: it was only one of my customer (18:45) Terry Field: will he not help you? (18:45) Aytac: no (18:45) Terry Field: oh (18:46) Aytac: i need to start this car (18:46) Aytac: but no way (18:46) Aytac: ok thank you Terry (18:47) Aytac: i will try to ask to other friends (18:48) Terry Field: no problem, don't want to loose Jeff as mate if he found out, I'm not that big in eeprom work yet, you understand (18:48) Aytac: ok (18:48) Aytac: Greg at advanced diagnostics will be informed by email also The bottom line is if your going to build a house. don't steal other peoples bricks to do it. Aytac has prooved he likes the easy way of getting solutions and maybe this will open up peoples eyes about how they solve things Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 As a bystander to this topic, I don’t quite understand it! Was this conversation log between two people in another forum? Has this member Aytac concealed his “true†identity? Again as someone who doesn’t understand the full story, isn’t that what the internets for, giving information for the greater good? Be you a manufacturer improving your products or an individual improving your knowledge????? Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted November 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 i think the 'jist' of the conversation is theft lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Davis Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Well theres two ways of looking at it, like lee says the interent is for sharing info and learning, on the other hand these people are selling a machine for £2000.00 at a price like that you would asume they are experts in there field, them asking Terry for info seems to suggest otherwise. It's an eye opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted November 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 i must admit i am having 2nd thoughts on purchasing it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Jeff I dont like the idea of someone with a vested interest in THEIR own machine casting aspersions on another! Ive kept an eye on proceedings on this debate here and on AD and ask you to keep this "feud" between you and Aytac just that, between yourselves! on a side note...... So where/who did the donkey work for the RW2? who latched onto that idea? who made software to programme vehicle keys which meant bypassing main dealers? Im all for open debate on these products which is not allowed on some other sites so lets keep it factual! carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 well ive had my ad900 pro a week now after getting a good deal on my trade in(curtis clone machine(RW2)) and flogging my rw4 and battery headed keys to someone on fleabay ive got the latest tool on the market for 200 quid. the machine itself is easy to use and has made me money already doing new stuff we didnt do before(without leaving the shop) so AD get the thumbs up! carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 i have both , and can honestly say that there is very little between them, however zed bull do edge it with the eeprom programmer out next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockdecoders Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Hi. My name is Pete and i own a company called Lockdecoders. I have been watching all the feedback on the zed bull and the AD900 Pro. I have also seen the comparison sheet that has been put out by the makers of the Zed bull. Not sure where they got there information, but most of it is incorrect. In the middle of november i saw Robin from Hickleys and actually showed him some of the inaccuracies in the comparison chart, and he agreed that there were errors on what i showed him. I dont see any thing being done about this and the comparison being removed. The 1st camparison was that only the zedbull can show that you have a magic 2 key. Well for all those who bought the original Transpronics and Key-crypt this was there right from the start. After 3 hours of picking the comparison apart and running out of paper i gave up as i was tired and posted all the inaccurasies on the ad forum. there was not 1 or 2 , but more than 30+ major errors. We market the Key-Crypt Pro which is the 3rd generation machine from turkey and you also know this as the AD900 Pro. We have not put a comparison sheet out as we thought that this would seem like mud slinging which is not what we are about. A few of you have put posts here that you were not fooled by the comparison sheet. I thank you for looking through this and for all those of you for choosing our machine over the others. We have a proper backup service as a lot of locksmiths can attest to. We are also practising autolocksmiths and can supply the backup that you would need. We have also produced a proper manual, which is in proper english and the machine is easy to use and easy to setup. You can see the manual here at http://www.lockdecoders.com/Key-CryptPro_manual.pdf . This is at the moment 78 pages and is always being updated. It has loads of pictures and step by step instructions. Our motto is "tools that really work". And we stand by this. We have sold more than 100 of these machines in the British Isles in the last year and are getting good feedback from you. For those of you that did buy the AD900 Pro, we sell the modules for this machine on our shop at http://www.lockdecoders-shop.com May we have a good 2009. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockdecoders Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 We are also the Uk and Ireland reseller for the Omega ic and eprom Programmer that you will see on the Zed Bull. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest army Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Hello all, have a look at that comparison chart, ignore the comparison side, just calculate the prices for the softwares and see which one is cheaper. One additional info; AD90 is a product of Istanbul Anahtar, so do Zed-BULL. Zed-BULL is coming with great updates, keep your eyes on Hickleys' and SKS keys' web pages. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keydoctor Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Hello all,have a look at that comparison chart, ignore the comparison side, just calculate the prices for the softwares and see which one is cheaper. One additional info; AD90 is a product of Istanbul Anahtar, so do Zed-BULL. Zed-BULL is coming with great updates, keep your eyes on Hickleys' and SKS keys' web pages. Regards Price isnt everything. Keep up the good work Pete, excellent service & back-up, dealing with someone who actually works hands on with they're products is priceless! =D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingkey Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Price isnt everything. Keep up the good work Pete, excellent service & back-up, dealing with someone who actually works hands on with they're products is priceless! =D> well said , the backup from peter is second to none , for keycrypt or any of his other products , knowing there is someone availiable to speak to when you may have an issue in a very technical sphere is worth the price difference alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony original Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Just to offer a bit more advise for the Zed bull machine and back up. (where ever you buy it from - it does not matter - Hickleys will offer you the same help and training) Hickleys are now running Training days for the Zed bull machine , and are always able to offer help on the phone as well. There are a couple of people in their office who now specialise in this machine , so you should get the back up you want and need upon a machine purchase. I hope this is of help - thanks See my new profile here - Thank you https://shoerepairer.info/profile/12572-technical-tony-davenport/ Regards Tony Direct Tel: 07572 216446 Email: twilkin@davenport-burgess.com DAVENPORT BURGESS, 47 Wednesfield Road, Willenhall, West Midlands, WV13 1AL t: 01902 366448 f: 01902 602472 e: sales@davenport-burgess.com w: www.davenport-burgess.com FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Facebook | Twitter Download our full key book FREE here --> http://literature.davenport-burgess.com/KC21_Web/DB_Key_Catalogue21_WEB.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony original Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 ** GOOD NEWS ** I have just been advised that the Zed bull will soon work Stand Alone ========================================================== You will need to add the JMA TPX Cloner to it and a special Cable (Cable price TBC ?) This should be ready in aprox 2 weeks time . This I think is the news we have all been waiting for --- for the next stage of the Zed Bull Machine . (Hence no more waiting on the internet !) See my new profile here - Thank you https://shoerepairer.info/profile/12572-technical-tony-davenport/ Regards Tony Direct Tel: 07572 216446 Email: twilkin@davenport-burgess.com DAVENPORT BURGESS, 47 Wednesfield Road, Willenhall, West Midlands, WV13 1AL t: 01902 366448 f: 01902 602472 e: sales@davenport-burgess.com w: www.davenport-burgess.com FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Facebook | Twitter Download our full key book FREE here --> http://literature.davenport-burgess.com/KC21_Web/DB_Key_Catalogue21_WEB.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keydoctor Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Anything new on the TRS5000 coming John? Or are you not pushing that one anymore? Also can you ask JMA if then can add option to do 2nd key without searching for code again? On ID67 it seems to take an age to find it, but at least it does it TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony original Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Keydoctor said: Anything new on the TRS5000 coming John? Or are you not pushing that one anymore? Also can you ask JMA if then can add option to do 2nd key without searching for code again? On ID67 it seems to take an age to find it, but at least it does it TIA If this image works (I hope) - this is the News from JMA - about the NEW updates ready now (New chips coming very soon TBC - and JMA's future plans) Follow this link to download the new update . https://skskeys.co.uk/technical/trs5000/ SORRY I WAS UNABLE TO GET THIS LINK TO WORK ON THE SITE . BUT ---> Just Click on the link and you will open all the new`s on the JMA TRS5000 See my new profile here - Thank you https://shoerepairer.info/profile/12572-technical-tony-davenport/ Regards Tony Direct Tel: 07572 216446 Email: twilkin@davenport-burgess.com DAVENPORT BURGESS, 47 Wednesfield Road, Willenhall, West Midlands, WV13 1AL t: 01902 366448 f: 01902 602472 e: sales@davenport-burgess.com w: www.davenport-burgess.com FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Facebook | Twitter Download our full key book FREE here --> http://literature.davenport-burgess.com/KC21_Web/DB_Key_Catalogue21_WEB.pdf http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm37 ... PH1eng.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockdecoders Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Price isnt everything. I think backup and support is worth more than anything. We have just added a few new function to our machines. Besides the ability to update the device over the internet with the push of a button, we have also added a function to update the pc program in the same way. We have also added bi-directional programming for both Fiat code 2 and Bmw Ews 2 and 3 ( in the various versions) to our eeprom modules. This means that you can code keys to these 2 manufacturers without the need of a diagnostic device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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