ironplanet uk900 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Having had a serious bout of problems with the bottom thread breaking on my brand new Goodyear I put the problem down to the tread. The original cop had run out and I replaced it with what I thought was a like for like product. How wrong I was. I noticed that the thread was "knotting" up in the body of the machine, causing it to lock up on the first tension wheel as it leaves the body of the machine. So I spoke to my supplier, and was told this was probably because it was the "end of a batch" And was sent a replacement, Which turned out the same. I had another cop off another company which also did the same.......HOW long is the end of a batch LOL These are the problems I encountered, The more thread that came off the cop the more it twisted and the more it snapped. So I decided to Buy some genuine Geneva Thread from Standard. The problem was cured imediatley. So in my opinion there is no comparison between the two. The only against is there is about half the amount of thread on the Geneva cop, but thats little price to pay for trouble free Stitching. planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Just been told that the geneva Cob carries 30% less thread, So with the price difference the Geneva is still better value for money as it is alot cheaper, aswell as a better product for your machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 problems with the bottom thread breaking the thread was "knotting" up in the body of the machine Think yourself lucky, I got caught out last week when the machine (bottom) thread ran out completely, Had to re-thread with a new cop. But to top it all the thread went tight & snapped on Monday... And why.....Because there was a bloody knot in the thread, no, not a tangle knot, some half-wit in production had physically tied two lengths together. To say I was pissed at re-threading the machine again was an understatement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 It is important that the spool is upright and that the spool revolves when the thread is coming off it. The twist effect can be seen easily if you pull cable off a drum of electrical cable with the drum sitting on a flat surface and pulling the cable upright off the drum. The more you pull off the more twist there is. There is a thread staightener on some stitchers where the thread comes off the bobbin and many think that this is a tension device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 It is important that the spool is upright and that the spool revolves when the thread is coming off it. Not with braided thread it aint. The thread comes off the spool much better when the spool is laying down, So in effect the thread is exiting the spool the same as it was applied Same as unwinding an extension lead or a new hose pipe........... Linen thread was wound so that the thread came out of the centre and worked with the twist of the thread, Braided is very much different Hugh. carry on planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Did not explain properly, sorry.. What I mean was... If the bobbin is upright and you pu the tread up over the top it will twist. This thread is Flat not round. If the bobbin is on its side and the thread comes off at a 90 degree angle as it would if the bobbin were upright then it should have very little twist. If you remove the hose reel side and pull the hose off upright instead of uncoiling it you have the same effect of twist. Not seeing the actual theadI wonder if it could be a fault of winding in the manufacturing plant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 WTF you on about Hugh I think the inferior thread is too loosley woven and is a little strectchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofatbyfar Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 i get ya hugh,, when we used the frobana we didnt have this proplem cus the thread was horizontal and under a little tension, since i hve been using the goodyear i i have noticed alot of twist, and i think it is because it is upright,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 It is important that the spool is upright and that the spool revolves when the thread is coming off it. Not with braided thread it aint. The thread comes off the spool much better when the spool is laying down, So in effect the thread is exiting the spool the same as it was applied i get ya hugh,, when we used the frobana we didnt have this proplem cus the thread was horizontal and under a little tension, since i hve been using the goodyear i i have noticed alot of twist, and i think it is because it is upright,, Have you guys got learning dificulties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 I have problems with this & its amazing that the makers/rebuilders of these haven't considered this problem as much as the thread that runs through the machines. its a common problem without a common solution. putting a cob in a cardboard box when you pay so much for the machine in the first place is NOT the solution. Have either of our sponsors, Standard or SiServe begun fitting a workable solution to the problem, because its a bloody nuisance! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 When the machine is built, they stitch around one piece of leather and thats it...but the more thread that comes off the cop the more it twists and the worst the problem gets. But the Geneva thread is definatley better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 the Geneva thread is definatley better. Until your about 2/3rds of the way through it, then as its spoiled on a smaller circumference the problem will return to haunt you............... Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Providing the machine is threaded up correctly and the tension settings within the machine are correct, you should have no problems with 'Geneva' thread Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 the Geneva thread is definatley better. Until your about 2/3rds of the way through it, then as its spoiled on a smaller circumference the problem will return to haunt you............... Lee Nope, mines laying on its side, and there is no twist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 WTF you on about Hugh go back to your first post. 1st pic shows thread coming off at right angles.....OK 2nd pic shows thread coming off from the top.......OK Now.. 1st pic is how it should come off. 2nd pic causes twist because it comes off the top. This happens with any flat or less than flexable wound material. Not saying that this is the reason or answer though, just observing a technical problem that could be encountered. In my day, (the days of the long toothed Dragon) there was a well known proberb that went something like this. "He who buys String from Fellows not having Balls wound tight enough ends up with Knacker in Twist & Ball Ache" (or something like that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 WTF you on about Hugh go back to your first post. 1st pic shows thread coming off at right angles.....OK 2nd pic shows thread coming off from the top.......OK They are both taken at the same angle I was holding them in one hand and taking picture with another. the angle in the picture wasn't my point..its the thread twisted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Nah.. I aint havin thart. Thread is def coming off at 2 differing angles no matter how you photo em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Jesus. Its like talking to a brick wall sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Jesus. Its like talking to a brick wall sometimes Go on then.. you-can-do-it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Oh yeh, and thanks for the new name but Jesus? I know I'm good but to live up to that name!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Update, used all the cop of Geneva thread now, perfect, no problems what so ever... Come on then keith send us some more white and black 6 of each....special offer....ay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Thanks Planet, you have a PM mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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