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Now then here is a topic that will get your fingers tapping on the keyboards.

 

I have just started to do car keys and transponder keys. On Saturday a chap came in to have a transponder key copied, 'no problem' i said, i then duley copied and cut his key. He paid a handsome £25 and left a happy man with a shiney new key.

I was then aproached by a man who saw this transaction who unknown to me was an off dutie police officer, he chalenged the fact that i had copied the key without the production of his logg book. This then turned into a full and intense debate with five of my other customers as to wether or not it was legal or ilegal of me to copy the key (or any other car key for that matter) without the logg book, and, to keep a copy of the keycode on my database just incase he lost all of his keys (of which the customer agreed was a good idea and was happy to do). The debate then got into cylinder and mortice keys, do the customers have to bring in valid identification to have a front door key cut?

Eventualy after an hour when all the debate had calmed down and all my customers had gone, as you could imagine, my head was in bits, did i do wrong or was i right, the outcome of the debate was INCONCLUSIVE.

 

Now i am sure this will get most of you going for the legal pages of the internet, but your views from the top of your head would be apreciated.

 

OVER TO YOU! :roll:

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well, if that was an off duty copper you should have reported him. what does he think a key cutting shop will do?

 

1. if a customer brings in a log book you have no way of knowing the key is for that vehicle.

2. if they were stealing the car they already have the key

3. if you keep a copy of the transponder and customer details you will have all sorts of data protection laws to follow, registration etc and will be open to all sorts of accusations if anything was stolen.

 

as far as i am aware the only time customers have to produce id is for restricted keys (landlords etc)

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strange this "policeman" didn't know the actual law!

if a customer has a key - you can copy it.

you only need to see a V5 (log book) when there are no keys. this was relayed to me after a conersation of anther "bright spark" in my shop and i telephoned davenport burgess.

 

so if there are NO keys - check V5 and I.D.

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strange this "policeman" didn't know the actual law!

if a customer has a key - you can copy it.

you only need to see a V5 (log book) when there are no keys. this was relayed to me after a conersation of anther "bright spark" in my shop and i telephoned davenport burgess.

 

so if there are NO keys - check V5 and I.D.

 

i fully agree the only time i take id and v5 details is when their is no keys and i have to pick the lock and gain access and program new keys. also when i make nuberplates.

 

Craig

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Personally I cant see any difference whether it be a car key, house Key or anyother type of key, and am unaware of any law that states you have to insist on proof of ownership before a key is duplicated, with the exception of keys that are obviously part of a master/restricted suite.

 

Mark

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ascap29 Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject:

 

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Danny King wrote:

I was told that all keys even copyright keys are not protected by law anymore. So if we can cut it we will.

 

 

is this true?

 

in year 2000- the copyright ran out...

great for all of us who own an easyentrie...

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Hi John,

I didnt get a chance to add my penny's worth as the customers who come into my cabin mostly do so for a chat and a cuppa. The copper left with a flea in his ear due to the fact that my customers are, lets say, of the older generation and very knowledgeable of local laws, it was a debate the off dutie policeman wished he hadnt have started, although he did put up a valid argument.

But it did leave me thinking if the law was that i did or did not have to have proof of id for all keys.

By the way i am Dave green from glossop who has just purchased the JMA 5000, nice bit of kit.

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Personally I cant see any difference whether it be a car key, house Key or anyother type of key, and am unaware of any law that states you have to insist on proof of ownership before a key is duplicated, with the exception of keys that are obviously part of a master/restricted suite.

 

Mark

 

AFAIK there's no specific laws, but if it can be proved you knew, or had reasonable suspicion that the copies were to be used for criminal intent, you can be charged with aiding and abetting.

 

Think about that makeup artist who helped the gang to knock over the cash depot, if she hadn't helped the police they'd have charged her too.

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there's no law that states you HAVE to lock your car or home, although it's usually a stipulation from your insurance companies.

there for keys are spare parts the same as the screww that hold the hinges.

 

Lee

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Guest Keyman

I had an awkward customer once who said after I had cloned the key for them that I was performing an illegal service.

I assured him that I wasnt, to back-up my claim I telephoned trading standards with the phone on speaker phone so that the customer could hear.

 

They explained that if I had asked for a Log book or kept any record of the key details then I would have to comply by data protection laws

As I hadnt asked for proof or the fact that I wasnt keeping any of the key details i was in fact not breaking any law whatsoever.

 

Scary really, you'd think by asking for proof your doing the right thing, but it can actually cause you more harm than good :shock:

 

HTH

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Copyright law states if you have the machinery and the blanks for the job you can cut it, the only key systems that have any security are patented

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