Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Yes I agree with you Ray, you are right in almost everything you say, except this. I am aslo one of those who require comfort due to age and whatever you do to your shoes they never feel the same again no matter what. One point that you made about Manufacturing repairs was incorrect for the UK.Manufacturers that I mentioned replace the Insoles when re-welting so there is no bumps or filler in places that can cause problems as it moves. If you dont replace the Insoles then there is no point in sending them to a manufacturer, you and I and a whole load of others can do the job that is just as satisfactory to the customer. Notice I say "satisfactory" not "better" sometimes it can be sometimes not, it all depends upon the state of the shoes when bought in for repair. On saying that I am just putting my own shoes on to go to the hospital and these are top of the range made by a manufacturer that is between average and best. The edges of the Insoles are very thick and I can feel them now, I had not used to be able to. If I had been replacing them of making them I would have feathered the edges down to flow into the upper lining so that no harsh edge existed. Just goes to show that you cant trust the best of manufacturers all of the time. As for your warped sence of humour you must have now realised that the most of the UK have this warped humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T. Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 To Hugh I am glad you agree with because it shows you went to school for a spell.(lol) I don't understand why on Gods green earth you would change the insole other than it became so cracked it hurt.If the edges are sharp on the sides then it was the manufactures fault because you are suppose to edge them for that reason alone.Actually the reason your insoles might be curling up is the fact that your cork has shifted.You can always wet the insole and when you refill the cavity you would be back to square one.While on this topic ,what makes you think that the factories are the only ones replacing the filler as thats just basic shoe repair 101 in my book.I never and mean never not replace the filler on all my work anyways.I don't know anything about you so I don't know if you ever repaired any shoes or not but certainly if you did it the way I told you we wouldn't be having this argument. Ray (the thorn)Torcaso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Ray, Insole changing by the Manufacturers is done as a matter of course, it's automatic wehter the insole is worn, warped or in good conditon. The repair is a refurbishment in full. And yes it was a manufacturing fault (or rather a design and cutting problem) that gave rise to protruding edges on the Insole. This is one of the most common UK brandss and the top of their range that has been recommended by others on the forum. I aint too impressed. By the way, who mentioned my Insoles Curling? I ddn't. And anothe thing i would not entertain having Bloody cork in my shoes. Polyurethane only for me. (I'm a conservationist ). Have I repaired shoes!!!! Probably over half a million to date but gave it all up to do F~all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T. Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Hugh and all If you go back to your post before your last you will see you mentioned the insoles curling up and yes I agree with you on cork as I wont use it in my repairs either but good foam for me.In America the companies don't change the insoles so I was surprised at that.As for you fixing almost half a million ,well when you fix as many as I have in my time and still doing so then we can talk1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Ray, it is almost impossible to estimate the number of shoes repaired over a liketime. for instance during the late 60s it was 1 per minute with Stilettos then as the fashion changed to larger man sizes heels the time trebled. further down the line came the Heels that had to be stuck on so that took extra time, then an about turn brought back the Stiletto. In the meantime all the Goodyear Welted footwear had to be done, so it would be tremendously difficult to put a figure on the number of shoes repaired. Glad you agree with the cork usage. Cutting Bark off Trees to make Filler/Insocks, Floor & Wall Tiles kills the tree and we have enough Tree murderers already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Directly to Planetuk900 only. The previous posts by myself and others have intermingled between Repairs by a Shoe Repairer and Refurbishments by the Manufacturer. To this end I refered to your repair as a "Repair" not to be confused with a Refurbishment from a Manufacturer. As for "Bullshit" what I post is knowledge not assumption, if you are uneasy that someone may just know a little more than the average bloke or blokess then tough titty. As for anyone else driving the Bus, I thought you had sold that one of yours!!! And there are more qualified personell on this forum than I. Elfman, Gingerbas and possibly Ray.T spring to mind. A few others lurking in the shadows too. As for comments on tutorials, well what can I say, obviously you take offence at being corrected. would you have me sit in silence when an alternative method or correction can bring the job forward one extra step, or would you rather that those who do not know how to do the job sit in the belief that your way is perfect. A little correction to help the trade is not a criticism of anyones work and if you read back through every one of my posts you will not read a condemnation of any method or tutorial. Even an abstinence on tutorial comments brings forth from you a barage of abusebecause I had not made a comment of praise. Lets get something straight here. I am in awe of everyone who takes the time to make a tutorial, always was always will be, it has never been done before and brings technical expertise to the masses who whould not have accesss to this information. The time spent is commendable and I hold my hat up to every person who makes a contribution to this forum not matter how large or small. If I found an annomily that was serious I would notify the person by a PM not annouce it publically. If however you are unhappy with having someone who can correct a technical error on the forum then again I say tough titty. If the rest of the members wish me to make no comment where a correction may be of a beneficial nature then I will abide by the majority decision. The ball is in the court of the members. They and they alone have the power to stop publication. all I ask is that you make this kmown on the forum.l You mentioned in earlier posts that you were a "profiler", well if doing a profile on PlanetUK900 would you have him down a an ex School Bully? Please post the pictures of the repair for the benefit of the members and the public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Directly to Planetuk900 only. If thats the case why did you not send me a PM.....Don't be such a baby and a drama queen. To this end I refered to your repair as a "Repair" not to be confused with a Refurbishment from a Manufacturer. Talk about splitting hairs, you can call it what you like, My argument was that we can do just as good if not better repairs/refurbishments than a manufacturer.....and many other members agree...diference is I keep coming back at your responses, and you don't like it. As for "Bullshit" what I post is knowledge not assumption, So do I. if you are uneasy that someone may just know a little more than the average bloke or blokess then tough titty. Uneasy!!! don't make me laugh, I think it may be the other way round dear. As for anyone else driving the Bus, I thought you had sold that one of yours!!! \it was a tongue in cheek joke, in response to your bus driver rant. If you don't like me to respond to your posts...don't post to me. And there are more qualified personell on this forum than I. Elfman, Gingerbas and possibly Ray.T spring to mind. A few others lurking in the shadows too. I agree. As for comments on tutorials, well what can I say, obviously you take offence at being corrected.. I don't think you have ever corrected me.....only in your own mind. would you have me sit in silence when an alternative method or correction can bring the job forward one extra step, or would you rather that those who do not know how to do the job sit in the belief that your way is perfect. A little correction to help the trade is not a criticism of anyones work and if you read back through every one of my posts you will not read a condemnation of any method or tutorial. Even an abstinence on tutorial comments brings forth from you a barage of abusebecause I had not made a comment of praise. Hugh I couldn't care less whether you comment or not, most of my posts are made in the shoe repair and engraving sections, because thats what I believe I am good at. I'm also good at posting in a manner that gets reactions I do it on purpose. I don't come on here to gain friends, I aint lonely!! I come on here because I have a passion for the trade. I've had posts like this in the past.. Its water off a ducks back. Lets get something straight here. I am in awe of everyone who takes the time to make a tutorial, always was always will be, it has never been done before and brings technical expertise to the masses who whould not have accesss to this information. The time spent is commendable and I hold my hat up to every person who makes a contribution to this forum not matter how large or small. If I found an annomily that was serious I would notify the person by a PM not annouce it publically What like this post. I prefer to be straight, thats my personality, I'm honest and straight to the point. Perhaps I shouldn't be so direct...I don't know. If however you are unhappy with having someone who can correct a technical error on the forum then again I say tough titty.If the rest of the members wish me to make no comment where a correction may be of a beneficial nature then I will abide by the majority decision. The ball is in the court of the members. They and they alone have the power to stop publication. all I ask is that you make this kmown on the forum.l Grow up!!! Just because I disagree with you at times doesn't mean I wouldn't want you around. You sound like a 13 year old drumming up support for a linch mob against me. Which will follow. I bet you can't wait for all the posts of support for poor old hughby You mentioned in earlier posts that you were a "profiler", I did, it was a post that was made for fun about a year ago, we had a laugh at the time. well if doing a profile on PlanetUK900 would you have him down a an ex School Bully? Now that really F**ks me off, If you knew me you'd know I'm anything but a bully. But you don't know me do you.. It's like me saying your a bitter and twisted old retired misserable bas**d, I couldn't because I don't know you. Please post the pictures of the repair for the benefit of the members and the public I've just spent an hour of my Sunday evening responding to this post, and for what. I think it was one hour to much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T. Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Hey guys A couple of things I want to say is one being that if somehow I sparked some kind of inside fight that I am truly sorry as I only intended to enjoy a difference of opinion or just a good debate.I am having trouble from across the see with some of your wordings here.Hugh on the subject of cork the reasons I don't like it is because it can migrate with wear and cause those unpleasant bumps.The good cushion ones don't and offer a more comfortable feel to to user.By the way the only reason there is filler in the first place is because of the cavity caused by the cloth type ribbing so you can sew a welt on.In custom boot making your insole is so thick (10-11 or more) that your insole can withstand the sewing and holding on to the welt. We just put a thin piece of leather over the insole to cover any welt stitchings that might be there. Ray Torcaso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Ray, dont think you need to worry. planet and hugh are like a married couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 the forum would be very dull with out any of you guys! I think all members shouldn't take it all so personally! its only a bloody forum! but its good to see we all take it seriously Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 quote from PlanetUK900. Now that really F**ks me off, Got you at last And Ray.T you did not Spark a fight, it was I alone I have to keep Planetuk900 on his toes or he'll just vegitate. He aint bad really, just not as good as he could be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 RIGHT!! You two, my office after school and expect your parents to be notified!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter / Sweden Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Ray Don`t worry....they are British...... They love to argue with each other and they all think they now everything and do the best work of all.. ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 RayDon`t worry....they are British...... They love to argue with each other and they all think they now everything and do the best work of all.. ......... What do you mean Peter "Think" and we are not arguing, we are just telling one another that there is room for improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter / Sweden Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Sorry Hugh. it should be "They NOW".... of course And maybe " open for suggestions"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T. Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 HEY GUYS Glad to hear everything is alright on the subject.This may not be the right place but this is my 2cents worth.I am a 3rd generation 38 year vet in this biz and believe me when I say if I get cut ,burnishing ink will run out of my veins.I consider myself as good as anyone but the difference is that I am driven to learn more.I know that if I last another 38 years I will still be learning because when you think you know it all you are already defeated.I came to this site and already learned some stuff that I and nobody else that I know haven't tried yet.I am hoping I can do the same for someone else here.Those tutorials are fantastic tools as for me a picture is worth a thousand words.Besides what I have already stated here I think when you hit a certain level of skill(be honest with ourselves).that its only refining that we are trying to achieve.Just for the record it took me forever to type as I use my 1 index finger only. Ray Torcaso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Good post Ray, What happened to your other fingers and thumbs that you can only type with one of them. Have they been too near the Hammer Head when it was about to hit the shoe:lol: I was in the trade 50 years, plus did other trades in my spare time. Learned by working with my Uncle in a very busy factory with 12 other repairers all entering National competitions, the inhouse rivalry was intense as we were all trying to beat each other to get the shoes entered as only one pair got to go to be judged. This was at the age of 17. Same as you I never stop searching for solutions to problems, even though I no longer participate in day to day repairs. I was in a store this morning and saw a pair of extremely long pointy toes on a pair of boots, never seen anything this long before and was wondering how on earth they kept their shape without bending at the toe. Next thing tha woman said "are you a pervert" I just laughed and said yes. My wife then had to explain to her why I was interested in her boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 ray and hugh leaving aside your thoughts of dying trees i would still prefer to use cork as a filler but if you are concerned about the lumps and bumps ase you call them /then why not use the composit cork sheeting which is already compressed as much as it can be which can be obtained in 3 6 or 12mm thickneses or the natural cork blocks which also do not compress also available in 3 6 or 12mm both of these have been used for years for raises over 2 inchs in the orthopeadic trade with no problems of compression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T. Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Top Elfman I wasn't complaining about the trees at all because the way they strip the cork off doesn't kill the trees and it grows back.I just feel that a good cushion filler would make the shoe a tad more flexible and a tad more comfortable.How many shoes have you pulled apart that the cushion filler had rotted and moved down in little pieces causing lumps and bumps. (none)There is nothing wrong with those cork sheets its just that I stated why I prefer a good cushion over them thats all.Neither one is wrong but its a matter of personal taste.Just remember if the shoes were really well made there would not be a cavity to fill in the first place.Bottom filler came about with the advent of machine made shoes.Holy cow I feel a little bit like a mini Hugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I totally agree with Ray.T on this elfman. I used the sheeting when it first came about but the comfort factor was missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 hugh + ray i quite agree with your comments on the comfert issue and if there was no issue as far as costs were concerned then i myself would rip out the fibreboard insoles and replace them with 2mm russet shoulder .rewelt them and if they needed a filler my preference would be fussells lightweight low density micro or one of the orthopeadic foam rubbers like poron that is used for orthotic insoles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Poron is my choice eflman, still use it for many things, got a sheet of it in my garage. Use it mainly on Insoles and Glove padding as an impact protector, brilliant product. I have tried all the variations but the Green is my preference, dont know why as I cant tell the difference in wear between all 3 types although I'm sure there must be, however, once your foot and weight is on it they all seem the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Hasn't the green got some sort of anti-bacterial properties? Whereas the grey is just plain poron. I bought some poron insoles from Algeos,didnt sell that well but helped cushion my feet a treat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Yes, the Grey is the entry level, Green is anti bacterial and Blue is Medical. Once underfoot I cant tell the difference. Very good stuff though (all colours) does not deteriorate like normal Foam / Latex insocks, lasts for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 porn insoles? are they the ones that give you a stiffy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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