Russell Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I will probably be investing in a new finisher next year and the present preferred choice is a 750SP as I am very limited for space. My present machine a Hardo is not as wide as the 750 and my question to Standard is this. Looking at the 750 I cannot see any reason why the width cannot be reduced by a good few inches off the left hand side as you look at it. SIZE is important to some of us!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny King Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Hi I have a 750. I find it a great machine. Not sure if they could make it any smaller. I would like a smaller finisher too but not found one yet. Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 HiI have a 750. I find it a great machine. Not sure if they could make it any smaller. I would like a smaller finisher too but not found one yet. Danny They could make it 18" wide 48" high but you would not have a band scourer and it would be much slower to use as you would need to change fitting each time you wanted to use the trimmer/scourer/brushes. The demand would probably not be sufficiant for it to be put into production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny King Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Hi Hugh It wouldn't suit most outlets. So no demand no product. Might have to hgave a look at another 750. Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 we regularly have second hand 750's but i dont know which model hardo you say is smaller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windycity Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 sounds like you need a lavada baby... they cha cha allover your workshop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Posted January 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 My Hardo is only 57cms wide. They stopped making them a long long time ago. It has 2 narrow bands, 3 brushes an iron, 1 padder, naumkeg, breast scourer and 2 cutters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 My Hardo is only 57cms wide. They stopped making them a long long time ago. It has 2 narrow bands, 3 brushes an iron, 1 padder, naumkeg, breast scourer and 2 cutters. How about a picture then Russell? At that size I'm interested in why it has not been copied and reproduced. 57cm is just about a couple of inches over the size that I think it is feasable to make one so cant wait to see the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I think this is from a range called turbo, whitfield made a machine for a short period that was very smal but a double decker. cant remember the layout but it was something like a scourer with brushes above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I think this is from a range called turbo, whitfield made a machine for a short period that was very smal but a double decker. cant remember the layout but it was something like a scourer with brushes above. Was this the machine that got dropped when they were taken over? dont know how to spell this but Raffenbaull of Germany did a twin tier one in the early 60s, I trialled it and it was superb, trimmer running at manufacturing speeds. Then it dissapeared like a puff of smoke, there one week then gone the next. Still thats what happens I suppose when you dont pay for things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 the machine i have seen is fairly old and wasnt built for some time before the takeover. think you spell it rafflenbaul, this company was taken over by power some years ago - they designed and made the original DN which is why power wanted them i believe so guess finishers were dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Well one learns something new every day, thanks for that Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter / Sweden Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Here is a picture from a brochure of the 57 cm wide hardo. This machine must be made by a genius! But the exhaust system must be really bad..... Must be made in the 80th when hardo was the leader in shoe repair machine techniques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Now that is a brilliant machine for ultra small units/kiosks, why do you say that the dust extraction must have been poor ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter / Sweden Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 The dust exraction is in the lower part under everything that turns around. Just a small gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 A more powerful motor/fan and the size of the box underneath would not matter as long as it is emptied daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter / Sweden Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 The dust exraction is in the lower part under everything that turns around.Just a small gap. I should have wrote: The dust exraction is in the lower part under everything that turns around. Just a small narrow gap, and the gap for the airflow is to far away from the trimmer. Just what i think. Carry on ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Just a slight modification needed then with a section of tin tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter / Sweden Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Yes thats my machine. The dust extraction is actually quite strong. Main faults are: 1. Not able to close off dust extraction to the naumkeg thereby increasing power to the band extraction. 2. There is air blowback through the centre of the machine where the drive belt is located...not severe but there. I cannot see why an updated version of this cannot be produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Forgot to mention, as Peter said, when using the trimmer it relies on gravity for the bits to fall down to the extractor area, so an additional extractor behind the trimmer would vastly improve it and it definately needs that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Simple, no demand. Our slowest selling line is the 750sp. Whilst it is very compact, it was designed to fit in where a 700 wouldn't, without too many compromises. The biggest compromise is the extraction, which goes against our current stategy of quieter, cleaner machines. You need room for efficient extraction and small machines do not have it! Unless you have an independant extractor unit placed elsewhere. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny King Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Hi Keith, I have one of your 750sp which we bought from you new. I find this a great machine does everything we need it todo and is a great workhorse. I would of thought this would of been a great little seller. With space being such a premium nowadays. With all of us offering more and more services surely these machines are the way forward. You can fit them into a corner of the shop freeing up so much space. I cain't see how have the bulk of your shop tied up with a big finisher can pay nowadays. Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Danny, I remember the sale The difference in size is only 40 cm and most people manage to find the extra rather than accept the compromise. I agree it's a cracking little machine, but volume of work is also a factor. Horses for courses really, I'm glad you happy with it and await your next order Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny King Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Maybe size does matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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