Mortice code machine

[Guest Phill]

Thinking of buying a mortice code machine, any of you guy's got one.

Are there one's to avoid, which one's are the best?

[Mark Davis]

Theres really only one worth going for the Silca Idea but at 10k+, you need to be cutting a serious amout of keys to code.

 

Alot of people use it to cut the union MM series and sell them on but how many MM keys can you sell?

[hibsjo(SCO)]

Ive got the orion ECM200 it was designed to cut all keys cylinder/car/mortice.

overdesigned a good bit of kit.

carry on!

[Technical Tony original]

Hi - I would also say try the Silca Idea Machine - but also would say if you do buy one the software is also a must ...

Please ask if you need any more info thanks .

[Andy_Davenport]

I recommend the Bianchi 993 Power Lynx. Its the fastest electronic bit key duplicating machine on the market with many unique features including:

 

400 watt brushless motor with electronic control

Cutter speed control for superior cutting and prolonged cutter life

Silent but fast motor speeds of up to 10,000 rpm

Pentium 3, 600Mhz processor

7" VGA colour touch screen with multi functional operations

Serial & USB ports, modem & ethernet connections

High resolution artificial vision system for fast decoding

 

In addition to the above, a remote support program will be fully operational by the end of the year, providing upgrades and user support via the internet.

 

Current jaws:

 

Standard Single Mortice

Ford Tibbe

Abloy

Abus Granite, Abus+

Chubb RKS

Flat Steel

 

In summary the 993 Power Lynx is a powerful and versatile key machine which has been built to be "future proof" and user friendly, with unparalled levels of support.

 

If you require any more information please contact our sales team on 01902 366448.

 

Cheers

Andy

[ironplanet uk900]

That is a class post Andy.

[Technical Tony original]

I have heard and seen the Bianchi 993 Power Lynx - But have never used it - so can not comment on it . .

 

 

AS REQUESTED BY JOHN, THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED

[Andy_Davenport]

That is a class post Andy.

thanks

[Lee]

Thinking of buying a mortice code machine, any of you guy's got one.

Are there one's to avoid, which one's are the best?

 

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Lee

[Technical Tony original]

Thanks for the check here and sure all parties will follow these rules-> again no advertising - just help offered from all -> so all good

 

to keep a little more on subject - I have used the Idea and we have our own machine - its a very nice user friendly machine - (not to bore you with all the tec on the machine as the Silca download will help you there as above) - the card system for cutting is as correct as it can be -hence this is why I would say add the software, you can make your own cards (Computer depth and spacing card) for new keys to be added of your own choice (Eg not already on the system and you do not have to wait for any updates) and at the same time if you did not like a card on the system (say the cuts just did not seem to work as well as the key you want to copy) you can tell the computer to make slight adjustments to match the Key you have and Not the card on the computer

 

At this point I may have just confused some1 - I think I am

 

so if you need any further help on this - or have no idea what I am talking about - please ask, thanks ....

[k4mrc]

sorry for my ignorance on these machines - but what advantage/disadvantage has this code machine got on normal key machines? the last one i saw was very slow in cutting a mortice key and then the key didn't work anyhow.

[Technical Tony original]

i guess in general you are correct - in use from start to finnish the cutting on the computer machines are slower - but in general the key should be a perfect working key at the end of it - (i say it should !!!! )

 

Also with the machine You can make up you own lever packs to key alike locks etc - so can cut to your combination .

 

And the machine will read a worn key - and tell you what the cuts were when it was new - hence making a new key to correct sizes .

 

and safe keys - I find these great as I always seem to get errors on double bitted safe keys (well sometimes) and the computer machines can make a 99.9% copy of the key - hence in general - (usally) make a perfect key each and every time !!

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

Personally I thought it was OK, but I did notice diversionary tactics that seem to have backfired. It could of course have been done in good faith, but following through the topic there does appear to be a sales pitch running through it.

[keithm]

I recommend the Bianchi 993 Power Lynx. Its the fastest electronic bit key duplicating machine on the market with many unique features including:

 

400 watt brushless motor with electronic control

Cutter speed control for superior cutting and prolonged cutter life

Silent but fast motor speeds of up to 10,000 rpm

Pentium 3, 600Mhz processor

7" VGA colour touch screen with multi functional operations

Serial & USB ports, modem & ethernet connections

High resolution artificial vision system for fast decoding

 

In addition to the above, a remote support program will be fully operational by the end of the year, providing upgrades and user support via the internet.

 

Current jaws:

 

Standard Single Mortice

Ford Tibbe

Abloy

Abus Granite, Abus+

Chubb RKS

Flat Steel

 

In summary the 993 Power Lynx is a powerful and versatile key machine which has been built to be "future proof" and user friendly, with unparalled levels of support.

 

If you require any more information please contact our sales team on 01902 366448.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

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I have heard and seen the Bianchi 993 Power Lynx - But have never used it - so can not comment on it . . But .... If you would like some more help on this machine please also try this company...

 

Citysafe - 02380 814181 - I am sure they can help further ...

 

On price - I have been checking this out and found that these should retail around the £8950 plus Vat price .

 

But again just to help a little more on the Idea machine I have found this link to Silca's website - please feel free to have a look .

 

http://www.silca.it/download/brochure/eng/Idea-gb.pdf

 

John (technical) After reading your reply, after you'd read Andy's well put together post. I can only assume you are a very insecure man.

 

It is very clear that you just wanted to hi-jack Davenports post, even though you can't supply the machine yourself.

I think it is sad that you thought it clever to try and divert the business away from Davenport Burgess just because they are in the same market as yourselves, a bit like a spitefull child.

 

In future could you please refrain from Childish tactics or your post will be deleted.

 

Easy Tiger

[Technical Tony original]

A bit lost here myself -

All I added he is . "" please ALSO try this company ""

So Please Try Davenport if you deal with them - and if not - there is another company i found that sell the same >....

 

So Not sure why people have tried to say " hi-jack Davenports post " As I have clearly found another place for even MORE help Which I am here to offer - (When I have the time LOL) ....

 

 

Hope this clears this up - and also - Please can we get back to the topic - as this seems to have been missed - AGAIN ....

 

 

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Thinking of buying a mortice code machine, any of you guy's got one.

Are there one's to avoid, which one's are the best?

 

SO Hence - - Following a reply on this topic and KEEPING to the site rules ... Thanks

 

to keep a little more on subject - I have used the Idea and we have our own machine - its a very nice user friendly machine - (not to bore you with all the tec on the machine as the Silca download will help you there as above) - the card system for cutting is as correct as it can be -hence this is why I would say add the software, you can make your own cards (Computer depth and spacing card) for new keys to be added of your own choice (Eg not already on the system and you do not have to wait for any updates) and at the same time if you did not like a card on the system (say the cuts just did not seem to work as well as the key you want to copy) you can tell the computer to make slight adjustments to match the Key you have and Not the card on the computer

 

At this point I may have just confused some1 - I think I am

 

so if you need any further help on this - or have no idea what I am talking about - please ask, thanks ....

[ironplanet uk900]

A bit lost here myself -

 

O Please. It is plain for all to see. Other respected members have expressed there concerns over your tactics.

 

 

All I added he is . "" please ALSO try this company ""

....

 

I can just imagine you standing there with your finger on your chin saying that.

Like the naughty school girls in Carry on St Trinnians.

[Technical Tony original]

No Tactics at all intended

 

Just being fair to all ... and helping out as always

[Technical Tony original]

This all said - i have been trying to show my findings / experiance on the Idea machine as " per topic " and keep throwing help in this direction this was also a Link as above that I think in the situation has been missed again - for all the Tec on the Idea machine .. and was also in the post -

Here it is again and I hope this will help "" USER Phill "" in his Topic subject ...

 

 

But again just to help a little more on the Idea machine I have found this link to Silca's website - please feel free to have a look .

 

http://www.silca.it/download/brochure/eng/Idea-gb.pdf

[Andy_Davenport]

sorry for my ignorance on these machines - but what advantage/disadvantage has this code machine got on normal key machines? the last one i saw was very slow in cutting a mortice key and then the key didn't work anyhow.

 

Concerning the subject of electronic key machines, here are a few considerations which may help in deciding whether or not they are suitable for your business.

 

1 COST

We are talking serious investment here. Having said that you are getting a piece of equipment that will last for years, even decades, and is virtually maintenance free. However, you need to be a serious key cutter turning out reasonably high volumes of keys in order to recoup the investment in a reasonable time.

There are finance packages available, with good interest rates, to help you spread the investment.

 

2 PERFORMANCE

Electronic machines produce as near to perfect copies as possible.

This is particularly relevant to mortice keys where it can be difficult to produce a perfect copy using a manual machine especially when confronted with high security safe and double bitted and wedge bit keys. The electronic machine will reproduce an exact copy with perfectly rounded lever cuts, even on a wedge bit key, and there is no manual finishing to do.

Electronic cylinder key machines are mainly used for producing keys to number. This is a sector of the market that can be very lucrative with a surprising number of keys required where a pattern is not available.

 

VERSATILITY

The ability to produce a key without a pattern to copy is a major feature of all electronic key machines, including the mortice machines. They also enable you to reproduce badly worn or broken keys to original specification.

It is also possible to produce several different types of keys on the one machine with only a simple vice jaw change. Supplementary vice jaws and attachments for manual machines can be time consuming to fit and difficult to use.

 

SAFETY

Electronic machines are less "hands on" than manual machines and are therefore safer to use. No need to peer through your safety glasses while you turn knobs or pull on levers. The cutter is safely isolated while you load the machine. Simply close the safety shield and watch. Or walk away till its done!

 

SUMMARY

Electronic key machines are not for everyone, but there are certainly many key cutters out there who would benefit from using at least one type.

 

The most popular machines available include:

 

Cylinder machines - Silca 299 and 399, HPC Blitz and Blue Shark

 

Mortice machines - Bianchi 993, Silca Idea

 

Cavity or Laser machines - Silca Viper and Triaxicode, Bianchi 994, Keyline Versa

 

There are varying degrees of ease of operation, state of the art wizadry, speed of operation etc. It is down to individual preference and budget which machine you choose, but I hope this has been of some help to anyone considering buying one. If you have any further questions, please dont hesitate to ask.

[Technical Tony original]

Just what I was going to add too Hehe ...

[Guest Phill]

Should be getting a demo from SKS some time later in the year of the silca Idea machine, but very interested in the Davenports machine aswell.

 

I think I saw an early version of that at an MLA show a couple of years ago. Needed a little tweeking here and there which I understand have been done. seem to remember it being suprisingly quick

 

I will let you know which one I go for

[Andy_Davenport]

Thats true, it was a BETA machine that was at the show. Bianchi have got it 100% now, it's very fast indeed, especially when cutting multiple keys - its quicker than a manual.

 

All in all, you won't be dissapointed with either machine. Make sure you demo both units before you buy.

[k4mrc]

thank you for the 'proper' reply.

 

what sort of price are they? (mortice)

 

i already have cylinder and laser code cutters and although i dont use them every day would not want to be without them, they earn me good money each manth and would recommend to all 'busy' key cutters!

[Andy_Davenport]

no probs. I've PM'd you the 993 price.

[Guest Phill]

Andy, do you think you'll be able to organise a demo at our shop before the MLA Expo in the spring?