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Guest Phill

Ever wonder if you should invest money to cut modern Vehicle keys?

 

We have and up'til now, no disasters :shock:

 

Alot of customers are shocked at the price, and just cope with the one key

 

I worked out we get about 1 job for every 7 inquieries.

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same as what phil said, we get lots of customers enquiring, but when you tell them how much they are, its... "OOW MUCH!?" half of em' can't believe it, they didn't realise their key was coded :smt039

 

But then you do get the customers who have been to the dealers for the key where they want £100+. Then they don't hesitate when you quote them £25, £50 or whatever 8)

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We sell a lot of Transponder keys, although they often do say "HOW MUCH!!!!!, however, they usually come back & have one cut in the end.

Never really thought about whether we should/shouldn't have invested in the machinery. If you have a sign saying "Key Cutting" then surely you should be able to cut virtually any key?

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I too get alot of the " How much" brigade through the door.

 

As already metioned alot of people simly don't realise the amount of technology inside the head of that "Old car key".

 

I have the equiptment to copy fixed code transponders and i am literally this week about to upgrade my equiptment to enable me to copy texas chipped keys.

 

When that customer gives you the how much line.. I respond by firstly explaining just exactly what is in that one key they have . I then stun them with the fact that if they lose that one key they do have it will probably write off their "Old car" as to have new locks fitted and the system reprogrammed will for sure be more than the value of the average old car. It rarely fails to generate a sale.

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We use silca fast copy with no problems,

but the Diagnostic hand held MVP machine which progams through the car can cause some headaches.

 

You plug the system in and follow on screen distructions :?

but it gives you multipal choice on some cars, then some need pin codes, some need the car disconnected from the battery for 30 seconds.

 

When you buy the MVP equipment you get a days trainning for free, then you can pay for advanced trainning which is a must really.

 

As for cost it's not as expensive as most think £1500 (SKS) for MVP with all the software you need and 10 tokens to be getting on with.

 

We've had it 4 weeks and used 6 tokens so thats £300 profit so it will pay for itself eventualy

 

And like you guy's said before it's all about cutting as many keys as you can so your customer doesn't have to go anywhere else :lol:

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but the Diagnostic hand held MVP machine which progams through the car can cause some headaches.

 

Hey Phil, I've been using Advanced Diagnostics AD100 (Full Software) for five years now, What headaches are you having?, You should be getting excellent Technical Support from them, & the User Forum is a must, very helpful & friendly we are.

 

As for cost it's not as expensive as most think £1500 (SKS) for MVP with all the software you need and 10 tokens to be getting on with.

Yes the purchase price for the tester is not bad, BUT

We've had it 4 weeks and used 6 tokens so thats £300 profit so it will pay for itself eventualy

You need to purchase your tokens in batches of 250 to make any serious profit & it will never pay for itself because it's a 'Pay As You Go' system,

I will soon be upgrading to the AD100-Pro, all my software purchases except Kia & Subaru have paid for themselves many times over.

For your information my programming charge ONLY is £40 + VAT.

 

Do you do Auto Locksmithing?

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Guest rikardo

yes i too do good business with a ad100

only pick and choose my work and cherry pick to suit

the forum is brilliant - you know who you are talking to (no hiding under strage names)

the back up service is second to none!

mine has paid for itself over and over

today i have made £165-00 with it alone and this has been a quiet day (goog friday)

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Guest Phill

Tel why will it never pay for itself?

 

Every key we cut we make £40 - £50 so we need to cut around 30 to pay for the machine. 9 down 21 to go :)

 

I think the AD100 with cables and software is around £6000 is that right ? You charge £40 to programe so thats around 150 keys before it pays for itself. Without knowing the industry well enough I chose the safer bet :shock:

 

But you'll probably be proved right in the long run.

 

We are finding some dealers not very helpful when it comes to getting pin codes. What about you?

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You don't state the MY (Manufacture Year) but it will be NATS Immo system

So you'll need Nissan Horseshoe Transponder key blade Silca NSN14AT11 (41 Philips Crypto) or NSN14AT13 (4D id 60 Texas Crypto) @ between £15-£20 (Ex VAT) & remote £52.31 (Ex VAT)

You would need to code the transponder to the vehicle via diagnostics (Pin Code will be needed if NAT 5) & the remote I think can be coded manually as follows

 

REMOTE CONTROL PROGRAMMING

NISSAN

SYSTEM DESCRIPTION

The Central Door locking is controlled by the Multi-Remote Control system which controls the door locking,

door super locking and hazard reminder. When the doors are locked and unlocked the unit flashes the hazard

lights once for lock and twice for unlock.

A maximum of four remote controls are allowed to be programmed.

ALMERA

ALMERA TINO

PRIMERA

MAXIMA

MICRA

SERENA

VANETTE CARGO

TERANO II

Ensure all the doors have been unlocked, either by using a good transponder key or remote control plip key.

Procedure

1. Turn the ignition switch from Position 0 to ON 6 times within 10 seconds.

2. Then turn ignition switch to OFF position. Leave key in ignition switch.

3. After 2 seconds, the system will enter programming mode and will flash the warning lights twice.

4. Press and HOLD the unlock button on the Plip.

5. While pressing the unlock button, press the lock button 3 times.

6. Release the unlock button.

7. The warning lights will flash once to indicate successful programming.

8. Repeat procedure 4 to 7 for up to 4 plip key’s.

9. When completed turn ignition ON, and the warning lights will flash 2 times.

10. Remove key, and check all plip key’s for operation.

 

NOTE : The programming mode will stop when either the ignition is switch ON, 4 plip keys have been programmed

or no input signal either from the switch or plip keys has been received for 120 seconds.

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Tel why will it never pay for itself?

 

Every key we cut we make £40 - £50 so we need to cut around 30 to pay for the machine. 9 down 21 to go :)

Yes I understand the tester will be paid back, but you need to buy tokens to use the software, dependant on how you purchase these a tokan can cost from £7 up to £35, you need to purchase tokens in batches of 250 @ around £1850 for best profit.

You charge £40 to programe so thats around 150 keys before it pays for itself.

But you'll probably be proved right in the long run.

It's not just the programming charge, eg. 1 Ford PATS III Blue chip key added to system where customer only has 1 key, crypto transponder. T7 ID4D (60).=£2.81, key (transponder case)=£2.10, that's less than £5 & I charge that out at £75, unless all keys are lost & then it's £££££

We are finding some dealers not very helpful when it comes to getting pin codes. What about you?

I can obtain all the following free for my own use,

Ford/Mazda Coded, Nissan, Renault, Fiat, Peugeot/Citroen.

You need to get the dealers onside, show them that on occasions YOU can help them out. :)

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Guest rikardo

ad100 can read some pin codes on vw - only it is hit and miss!

best to try to extract codes before you cut key thogh as customer wont pay if it wont start car

 

i'm also thinking on upgrading to ad-pro

this system is worth the investment! only thing is it keeps you very busy

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Guest Phill

Keeping you busy on transponder keys can only be a good thing guy's. :lol:

Thanks for your help, speaking to diagnostic help line the MVP will not get pin code for Polo Bugga

 

Do you ever take a few minutes to think on just how much you have to know to run your business now days.

 

It almosts makes your company worthless without you :roll:

 

Do you employ someone to run the shop while your out and about in your van?

 

We're very lucky 3 of us work together are brothers.

Not sure how I would feel leaving employee in our shop on his/her own.

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  • 3 weeks later...

Tel200, I'm thinking about going into auto keys but, quite frankly, I have very limited knowledge in this area. Seeing your comprehensive Nissan guidance above, is this sort of information freely available or is it something which can only be gained through years (decades) of experience?

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Yes & No, for lost key situations you'll need diagnostics.

The RW unit will only support so many vehicle applications,

How would you supply & code a Ford red master? or code a new Rover or Vauxhall remote?

 

So you would need the RW for cloning & transponder ID recognition & an AD100Pro or MVP for many other tasks

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