windycity Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 hi chaps i'm going to replace my pads,brushes with new ones. i have a lynx 942 finisher and i see that most machines now have mops and brushes but no pads,having not used mops i wonder what your thoughts are on this and why makers of finishers prefer mops not pads. i know i like pads but thats all i've ever used, also on this finisher the brushes are quit low down compared to 700's and i would like to rearrange the layout or line up of them because the naumkeg is right above the black pad and near to the smooth band. also would mops fit or are they of a bigger diameter? regards paul regards paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Mops are superb, I wouldn't have owt else, as to wether they'd fit on your machine,,,Dunno, but I bet Keith/Peter will tell you before long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 You can have mops on a lynx. It's a case of personal preference, some like pads, some like mops. It's usually the 'Power' brigade that like the mops, but we do fit them to 700's ocasionaly and Lynx's. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Pads were in use when molten wax was used and then "Padded" into the heel bases. Nowadays very few use molten wax, unless of course your name is UK900 and you want to fill in bloody great holes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Steady on You can go off people you know Never liked the leather pads much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Steady on You can go off people you know Never liked the leather pads much. So how do you account for those in your Dungeon then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I got pads & irons on mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I got pads & irons on mine On your what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Irons on a Lynx? Unless it's on a bayonet? Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I got pads & irons on mine On your what? WHB 700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Tel, Was that a Heated or Cold Iron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Cold iron, but does get warm with lots of use Had a heated iron on the WHB 100 series that I used when employed in my training years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 WHB100 heated iron, bottom scouring roll and polishing/friction mops, Competiton winning machines. And you could take them apart to service of move them up into the Attic/Cellar Still got the trimmer barrel off one somewhere. 100/200/500 best machines ever made for quality work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 100 and 200 finishing machines, slight problem. NO extraction worth talking about, awful things. We call 'em 'skippers' They might be easy to service but they'd kill ya in 10 years with the modern materials that the current crop of shoe repairers are using Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Hughbys doin well at 98 then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 As there is no band of any width to speak of and they were brought out before moulded units came into existance the qote about such is irrelevant. You could not get a finish like these gave on any of your modern Power stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 why couldn't you achieve a finish the same as the old machines? rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 why couldn't you achieve a finish the same as the old machines? rick. Because most of them dont have a heated Iron. niether do they have a bottom scouring roll, neither do they have a calic friction mop & cotton polishing mop all in one machine. Dont tell me that there is anyone out there who can do a better job on a modern REPAIR machine because there aint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Beg to differ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 with hugh be do a bit here. even though i am not a shoe repairer the older machines with heat etc gave a much better end product. the drawback with the 100 and similar machines was that they work a lot slower and more labour intensive. ps hugh be do, i see on another post you are lining up your coffin etc. can you let me know when you are planning on using it as i would like to try my new defibrillator out first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hugh-Candoit2 Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Better give me your direct line Peter as this post is going to give me a heart attack. UK900 you may BEG and you will Differ. Why do you think that the likes of church/cheaney/Loak still use floating/occilating bottom scouring rolls that are centuries old.(well almost as old as me) and why do you think that they still use Burnishing equipment? If they did not Keith would be trying to flog them a "Power unit" Let me put it into perspective here for you, you have a piece of raw Brass to engrave, do you leave it like that and just brush it over or do you burnish it to get a high as possible gloss finish? Does a Car body finisher spray your car by just brushing the surface over of does he first go over it with a very fine grade emery cloth to matt it down then use a burnishing mop on the applied colour? Granted the machines of old will not cope with the modern materials in regards to scouring or extraction abilities but, they will cope with volume. I worked on these machines when the best went to the grave yard in the sky and those were the A Frame finishers with Cyclone extraction system, now dont tell me Keith that your system can suck out dust at a greater volume than those cos I wont believe you. We worked with these machines none stop from 8 till 5.30 doing hundreds of pairs of soles each day. The quality would not be seen today unless you had one of these machines or you were very good, nay bloody brilliant at hand finishing. Whew, i must get my blood pressure monitor out PS I had to re join as H-C2 as the site will not let me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 hugh, you can check out http://www.lifepak1000.com/ if you want to know more. there was me thinking they kept the machines because they couldnt afford new ones!! cyclones eh? they are the almost perfect dust extraction, still available as nice small units but still not the perfect answer in shops where space is a premium. we have a customer with a small factory who has external extraction units, the suction is consistent and very very strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hugh-Candoit2 Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Thank god there is someone out there who knows why and what this is all about!! No the cyclones are not suotable for the very modern heel bar type of situation in shopping centres but I'll bet there are many older premises where they have a back yard to house the collection container!! Not that I would envisage them emptying the thing Peter, just to get apoint accross that the more modern machines were not necessarily as good as the old ones and in many cases they are inferior. Put me, even at my age on one of these old machines with a test pair of welted leather shoes and any other member of the forum on a modern machine (fullly serviced by Keith) and The results will speak for themselves. (of course that depends on the supply of Friction polish and Carnuba wax Wax. (bet some of those products are not now available). You could be the Judge Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Garbage, that statement from you Hugh undermines many independant repairers out there Making sweeping statements like that can be very dangerous! I remember when I was repairing and I used to get told by so called 'quality old boys' that their work was the best and all us youngsters could never achieve their quality. Christ, most of them left a step on the waist you could jump off and about 15 tingles across it Don't get me started.................................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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