Which Solution?

[jimbo1943]

Which solution would be used to repair soles thst have plastic in middle and leather outside or what is the best way of repairing these soles

[ironplanet uk900]

In my opinion,,, Get rid of the plastic in the middle

[derek]

use plastic solution 1st when dry put rubber solution over the whole shoe

[ironplanet uk900]

Sorry Derek, since when did you glue one side with plastic and the other with rubber solution. because thats effectively what your doing.

If you don't want to get rid of the plastic, then use a suitable primer that works well with your solution. Alternatively use a 50/50 solution. but two different solutions ain't gonna work properly

[derek]

what i meant was to prime the plastic with 50/50 first then when its dry coat over with 6092.it's always worked for me and saves the need for a primer like S10

[ironplanet uk900]

what i meant was to prime the plastic with 50/50

 

50/50 is not a primer. and wouldn't be anywere near as effective as using the right primer in the first place.

If someone asks for advice on the forum, Its best to give them the correct advice. You'll never read on a tin of 6092 to use 50/50 as a primer because it ain't the correct way of doing it.

[derek]

like i said thats how i do it and its never caused me any probs but some people always have a better way of doing things

[ironplanet uk900]

[r.steph]

Just use a couple of coats of plastic solution.

[ironplanet uk900]

Which solution would be used to repair soles thst have plastic in middle and leather outside or what is the best way of repairing these soles

 

Jimbo,

 

A quality repairer would remove the plastic & replace with leather or rubber depending on the job.

I personally don't want the customer coming back in 2 months because the soles bubbled in the middle, because the job was done a hundred mile an hour and incorrectly.

Build your product with integrity and success will follow.

[StevenB]

I'd just use multi-colle (renia) as I do on most of my work (anything else gets colle de cologne), and that wil do the job just fine.

['Onest Andy]

what i meant was to prime the plastic with 50/50

 

50/50 is not a primer. and wouldn't be anywere near as effective as using the right primer in the first place.

If someone asks for advice on the forum, Its best to give them the correct advice. You'll never read on a tin of 6092 to use 50/50 as a primer because it ain't the correct way of doing it.

 

Well interesting this one.. I too would have given completely the wrong advice. I would have suggested coating the plastic area with 50/50 as a primer and then 6092 over the top.

 

I've used this method for over 25 years and have yet to have a problem with it. I feel in this case it does exactly what it doesn't say on the tin

 

Don't get me wrong there's a right and a wrong way to do everything. It's just that surely this is part of what the forum is about. Who cares what the tin says. This is a simple "trade secret" so to speak which works regardless of wether it's deemed the correct method.

[ironplanet uk900]

In my 30+ years experience, I've seen this job done badly on a weekly basis.

Normally the customer wants these shoes resoling because the outer leather has worn through to the mock welt or plastic middle.

So a stick on sole wouldn't normally be the answer!

In this instance I would be fitting a leather or resin half sole. This gives the perfect opportunity to remove the plastic insert.

Some repairers will do anything to cut corners, build up the edge/toe just to get away with putting a stick on sole on.

If you have at your disposal the correct materials and solutions, why would you need to find another way around the job.?

 

Try putting 50/50 on some pvc then some 6092, let it dry, then get some crepe and rub the 6092 gently, it will come away from the 50/50 with ease!!

 

Your right about "this is what the forums all about" Andy. Thats why I posted. I respect your opinion, but I'll be STICKING to my way

 

Jimbos chioce

[hibsjo(SCO)]

Yeh 20 odd years ago my "teacher" told me plastic on top of rubber NEVER the other way!

Primers do the job now or as UK says strip it and start a fresh!

[ironplanet uk900]

Hooray,

[windycity]

derek/onest andy

very handy i'll have to try that one with my 6092. At present iuse the "spill it over the bench renia ragu". A freind who uses foss glue swears by using s10. I find s10 does not work well with 6092 and he finds vice a versa with foss.

I have been thinking about changing to renia glue but i Think i know 6092's good points and bad points.

on a different note nail the waist of leather 1/2 soles or not ?

I do but a few friends don't and swear they never have any probs.

I had a new custermer bring in some shoes for new leather soles.

the old repairs was not nailed or stitched but stuck like shit to ablanket also they had nailed graft under the waist of the new sole but on one pair they had even stitched just that little bit. but not stitched the sole to the welt etc. first time I have come across this.

 

kind regards paul

[ironplanet uk900]

We do not rivet the waists, Never get any probs. A good graft is all thats required.

The rest I have commented on

[jimbo1943]

Thanks everyone you have given me something to think about.

[ironplanet uk900]

Had some in today..

 

 

Got rid of the plastic middle section, Resin soles Blaked on. Job done. Confident the job will only come back to my shop when its worn out

[Guest shoe lab]

is that a actuall half sole? it looks like a sole protector?

[Gingerbas]

Nice job Uk.

[ironplanet uk900]

Cheers Ginger

[ironplanet uk900]

is that a actuall half sole? it looks like a sole protector?

 

It is a Half sole.