earlsdoncobbler Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 been looking at changing my finisher 700 or the Hardo fit my needs any one brought a new one of these machine recently or just have any views Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 been looking at changing my finisher 700 or the Hardo fit my needs any one brought a new one of these machine recently or just have any views What make and model is your old one and why do you need to change? Are you thinking along the lines of a new one or second hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlsdoncobbler Posted March 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 i am looking at new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Difficult one to call! perhaps a good look at the cutting edge exhibition this year would pay dividends. I believe all hardos are still 3 phase (probably wrong on that) which means if your on single phase an extra expence and extra box to go wrong. ( although I have a 3 phase outsole stitcher using an inducer which has never let me down) Hardo = Imported 700 = UK How are you for supporting British engineering? has your 700 ever let you down? (you know which one I would buy now) Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 700 s the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Hardo is the better engineered. 700 was made by Whitfield Whylie and is probably the most predominant finisher in the UK. Standard the new owners may not want to keep this model running indefinately but I cant speak for them. At the present time, parts are easy to obtain for the 700 and as Messers Timpson rely on hundreds of the things I dont forsee an early end to the parts situation. I certainly would not go down the road of single phase unless 3 phase was not accessible. Hardo has a good reputation in the Ortho trade. Personally I would go for one that had a heated Iron, bayonet cutters, heated waxpot, bottom scouring roll and 3 polishing brushes/mops along with the normal black & brown pads and brushes, oh and a seperrate Knaumkeg and breaster. Now when was the last time I saw one of those machines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I have been running single phase for 20 years! NEVER had a problem! doesn't cause enough problems to be an argument on this one. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Its half a dozen of one half a dozen of the other! As with all machinery there is never a clear winner, base your decision on price, availability, and specification. BUT make sure you look at all options, you will be standing in front of it for many years! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 ......... difficult to remain impartial here!! I would agree with some of the comments made, however, there's a few that are dubious in my opinion. As far as engineering is concerned, I do not concur with the Hardo necassarily being better engineered overall. The early German made Hardo's are certainly as well made as 'Power' machines. I'm not sure if the all the current Hardo range is made in their own factory? As far as the 700 is concerned, improvements have been made throughout it's History and is currently better made than ever, with more development still to come. Our current lines of machines are in use all over the world in many industries including, shoe repairs, orthotics and engineering and are well respected. The proof is in the pudding. When repairers look at prices, they often look directly at price and not whats behind it, and whats included in the whole package. That often gets overlooked and in my opinion is fundermental to any decision when spending 5 or 10 grand !For the record, in 1992, the price for the 700 finisher was £200 less than the current list price!! How's that for value!! As far as single and three phase is concerned, there are more options than converters and I will happily discuss those with any potential customer. single phase motors are better than they used to be and are certainly more reliable than they used to be. We can of course supply both. Does this sound like a sales pitch ? I hope not, difficult to remain informative without selling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlsdoncobbler Posted March 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 at the moment i am using a old 700 it is three phase i use a converter which has caused me no problems at all in the 5 years i have had it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 at the moment i am using a old 700 it is three phase i use a converter which has caused me no problems at all in the 5 years i have had it How can you say it's a 3 phase if it has a converter?????????? Are you saying you have a converter to convert it to single phase. Sorry kieth but you will never get me sold on a single phase machine no matter how good you claim the motors are nowadays. I've burnt too many of them out, changed too many converters, had too many bandscourers stop when putting pressure on them constantly to even think that they COULD be OK. I'm a fan of the 700 3 phase. No-ones mentioned running costs over the like of the machine. Maintenance and Electricity costs!!!! If you dont have 3 phase in the shop then you probably aint going to pay to get it in now but if you do have it then the weekly running costs are cheaper. Think about this for when the Electricity prices give you a shock and you think of going back to the Standard Treadle Finisher, tis rumoured that kieth still has some for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlsdoncobbler Posted March 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 i am no electian but as i understand the converter makes single phase into three phase it would have been to costly to have three phase ran into my shop, i have a friend who has burnt out single phase motors and now will not take on some work in feel of doing again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I have a 700 single phase bullet proof. used to have an old Rafflenbuel beautiful machine again single phase bullet proof. Trained on a old Hess finisher and bencher single phase but burned motors on these. Scary stories motors burning out,all that work building up while you wait for replacement(how much for one of them then boys) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 A nice answer Keith, Not toooooooooooo selly! Its interesting that so far in this topic its all been about the 700 (and single v's 3 phase) does it really matter! wire it in and switch it on! Good luck with the new machine, no better a feeling in the shoe repair trade than the day that Baby arrives. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theone Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 im on 700 finnisher single phase have no problems if your burning motors out should try and change your bands more instead of have 1 grit on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 sorry been away for couple of weeks so haven't entered the debate on finishers, at least thats what i thought this thread started as? how did it escalate to naff customers and stapling people? anyway just to put the record striaght for Hardo, they are all made in house and not made anywhere but their factory id bad salzuflen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 It changed through an association of events/ ideas/ thoughts Peter. There are some out there who still need stapling, or in my case nailing with large head 3/4 iron, and yes it has gone off topic, please put us on the straight and narrow road to enlightenment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlsdoncobbler Posted May 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 i brought a 700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Congratulations! A great day when a new machine arrives... Single or Three phase Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 I see you already answered that one single phase with a 3 phase scouring wheel Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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