hibsjo(SCO) Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 cough cough Look at this something that was drawn to my attention.cough cough http://www.ttl.fi/Internet/English/Info ... -01/02.htm Make sure your fans work properly cough cough is it too late to wear masks cough cough what do Hugh think Hugh Keith,Peter .....thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Blimey, lot of waffle to read in there. All I can say is, like everything else in our sort of trade. Commom Sense, common sense, common sense, backed by proper legislation. Too often, this sort of information comes into the public domain and before you know it, every shoe repairer is wearing masks!! With the public believing that it's 'dangerous' to enter a cobbler shop! Can you imagine what that'll do for the trade if the public knows you are using carceagenic materials. It would kill your business overnight. Now Joe, about that bag change Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest k@lsb Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Blimey, lot of waffle to read in there. All I can say is, like everything else in our sort of trade. Commom Sense, common sense, common sense, backed by proper legislation. Too often, this sort of information comes into the public domain and before you know it, every shoe repairer is wearing masks!! With the public believing that it's 'dangerous' to enter a cobbler shop! Can you imagine what that'll do for the trade if the public knows you are using carceagenic materials. It would kill your business overnight. Now Joe, about that bag change Keith you should wear a mask,and if you kill youre customers with youre dust, you wont have any buisness coming in to kill lol, but try blowing youre nose at the end of a day in youre cobblers shop, then have a look and imagine whats gone into youre lungs.a mask makes sense surley.....................all the trade in the world and money in the bank wont buy youre health, so common sense should prevail............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 the question is: how many people are using the right sort of dust mask? the majority of the white ones are NOT suitable for filtering out the fine dust which settles at the bottom of your lungs. i recommend a particle repirator or ffp3 mask if you really want to protect yourself. http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2003/e03003.htm this link will provide you with more information. rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 studies studies, most of the time spent writing the report by the look of it. it has always been known that leather dust can cause this but the study i saw some years ago said it was only really relevant to shoe manufacture where there was little or no extraction systems. remember there are a lot of old cobblers about (not just in government) and i find it hard to recall any dying of cancer that didn't smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 very well put peter to be quite honest my fears never were from the inhalation of leather dust either but due to the chemicals used in the manufacturer of other types of soles and heels, especially rubbers which scour into a very fine powder such as micro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo1943 Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Wish I had advice about wearing a mask years ago I would have not had trouble with breathing near retirement. I have never smoked but believe dust from finisher is to blame. The older finisher didn't have as good a dust retraction as todays machines. Another thing is it's important to wear ear protectors. A nurse came into my shop a few years ago and said I would get industrial deafness because of the noise. I believe she had a point because today I have to wear a hearing aid. So I would advise every cobbler to really consider these matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mark Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 speak up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 remember there are a lot of old cobblers about Thank for the recognition Peter. Everything that is alien to your body can cause a Cancer, knocks to the bone, even going outside in the sun!!! Asbestos was added to a type of rubber years ago to make it wear longer. Inks & Dyes were banned from being sold as the colour could penetrat the skin and cause cancer. Tanning agents can cause Cancer. Adhesives contain tolulene known to cause birth defects. Scoured rubber causes smoke which can cause Cancer. Inhalation of exhaust fumes can cause Cancer. PVC sole units of a well known brand, if heated with a hot knife will produce a smoke that can be lethal if inhaled. (you wont have time to get Cancer with this one). Meanwhile the trusted old Fags get a hammering to create a smoke sceen hiding the real culprits. Tobacco contains one of the most powerful poisons "nicotine" not many germs or bacteria can live in a nicotine laden enviroment. Smoking related illnesses are costing the NHS too much money, I wonder if there is a link to the hysteria on smoking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest walker Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 We've been concerned about chemical fumes for years, but weren't as aware of the dangers from the dust. A friend, who does more Birkenstock repair than we do, wrote a helpful page about that here.. http://www.myshoeman.com/dust_control.htm ...walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Interesting post that, welcome to the forum walker. I have just printed off the info from that link and this information should be compulsary reading read for everyone. Very detailed, very well put together, very professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 I'm pleased to say that the figures quoted for filter bag efficiency may apply to American Machines and NOT current UK or European machines. Fortunately, this is a subject that we at Standard Engineering take very seriously and is one of the reasons behind our commercial agreement with Jos America in Holland Their expertise in the extraction market, of both fumes and dust is second to none and is something that we have an interest in. Our current manufactured machines, recently updated, all comply with current legislation and our filter bags work in the range of 5-10microns, depending type, standard or fire retardent. This subject can be very emotive, as we will often be accused of using this health argument as a sales tool. I will say here as I will say to our customers. It is partly our responsability as machine suppliers, to make sure you are informed to the best of our ability of the risks involved in what you are doing and the solutions available. There is a large array of machinery options available, with a solution for all, extracting both dust and fumes. It all depends on budget, space and the requirements of the customer, horses for courses. It would be irresponsible of us to ignore any directive by government or the EU concerning health, which is why we are trying to raise the profile of Health and Safety within the workplace and the options available to the customer. This is a subject which has been ignored for many years by too many shoe repairers, but we have to change it Hopefully, this can be done soon as the risks are much higher than anyone previously believed! Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 I spent about an hour talking to Peter Scheffers from Jo's the night before the cutting edge exhibition, his passion on this subject was incredible he was a fascinating chap to talk to. I have always been interested in this topic, so talking to him really encouraged thought on the subject. I changed my dust bag this year, small difference I know but what a difference its made to the dust floating about and settling on the shelves. What settles there also settles in my lungs! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Well Lee, as you know, we recommend an annual bag change in order to ensure maximum extraction. It's in your interest to do it!! As I said before, too many people ignore it. I'd hate to think what's been down my lungs after 25 years doing the job thankfully, I am better informed now and I'm in a position to make sure that the next generation of repairers work in a healthier envoiroment. Peer Scheffers is indeed a very interesting guy and I get on very well with him. He is passionate about what he does, sales, and is prepared to put in a lot of effort to inform people, customers, on the merits behind different extraction systems. We have spent many an hour drinking Belgian beer and debating the benefits versus cost on the subject Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 I have contacted George miller from www.myshoeman.com and with his permission I have produced a PDF copy of his page on dust control and this is now available in the downloads section. Also on his home page if you scroll down to the bottom there's some interesting links. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Some first class links on the shoeman website, I think this section of links is worth bringing to the forefront for reference. Good post keith, I have succummed to the fact that it has taken an American Repairer to bring me to admit we have all been to complacent about dust and dust bags in the UK. I have a new motto, "You can buy a new Dust Bag but you cant buy a new Lung" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Thanks Hugh, what a gentleman you are nowadays My biggest worry though is that as all good key cutters know, you should wear eye protection EVERYTIME you cut a key. The truth is, many don't. Now when it comes to dust, it's a bigger problem. I for one, would rather be blind in one eye than DEAD !!!!! The more you look into dust, fumes, and the materials, chemicals used to create them, the more worrying it can be. I have written an article on our website, you may wish to read it. In the last two years my eyes have been truly opened I can tell you Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 OK Keith, you have my attention, cant find your article though, can you provide a link direct to it. Personally I thought that most new dust bags were total crap as the air could not get through as quick, now I know why after reading the article from the USA. "If only"....................never too late though Keith, at least someone else will get the benefit even if my lungs are F****d. Pssst, can I sue you for the ineficiancy of the bags over the last 50 years? (I'll go halves with you if you privide a report that state my current health problems are the result of poor dust extraction) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 problems caused by dust extraction, is that a brand of whisky then? you should find that new bags will allow more air through and more dust kept in rather than letting less air through the article is here http://www.standardgroup.co.uk/shoe-rep ... orking.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 I think these Orrible things are the worst for fumes. And these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 problems caused by dust extraction, is that a brand of whisky then? you should find that new bags will allow more air through and more dust kept in rather than letting less air through the article is here http://www.standardgroup.co.uk/shoe-rep ... orking.htm very good Peter and thaks for the link though I dont think I will be purchasing any new bags (enough of them in the old folk home)at my age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 I think these Orrible things are the worst for fumes. Shame on you, sniffing shoes UK, PS, try thigh lenght ones, better aroma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 You Dirty old man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 You Dirty old man Yes, sure am, been up to my neck in Horse Manure today and boy that stuff really does give off fumes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 old chinese proverb: "he who walks behind a horse with gastroenteritis will surely find himself in the shit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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