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Hi all, what settings do you use on this machine for engraving glassware? i find using the default glass engraving seems to eat through diamonds way too quickly, 25 pint tankards and the diamond had given up the ghost or is this normal? using about a gallon of furniture polish on each one.

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yes to the light touch, those are default settings ive always used was just wondering if theres a better setup that lessens the burn out.

Is there a work around to fixing the performance in windows 10? its so slow to move/resize when theres any moderate amount of text, im not holding out much hope that the software will get updated to fix it.

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On 7/2/2021 at 9:30 AM, acm2000 said:

 

Is there a work around to fixing the performance in windows 10? its so slow to move/resize when theres any moderate amount of text, im not holding out much hope that the software will get updated to fix it.

I think the Vistool software is a cracking piece of software. Easy to learn and use, but not updating it regularly with new or improved features really lets it down.

Some of the sign making software is updated quite regularly but I don't think I've seen an update on Vistool 8 yet and I've had it a few years.

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On 7/2/2021 at 9:30 AM, acm2000 said:

yes to the light touch, those are default settings ive always used was just wondering if theres a better setup that lessens the burn out.

Is there a work around to fixing the performance in windows 10? its so slow to move/resize when theres any moderate amount of text, im not holding out much hope that the software will get updated to fix it.

I agree with the painfully slow resizing with Windows 10. I'm sure there was a way of opening Vistool with an earlier version of Windows that might help. I think I may have just found it. 

  • Right-click the program's icon. ...
  • Choose Properties from the pop-up menu.
  • Click the Compatibility tab. ...
  • Place a check mark by the top item, Run This Program in Compatibility Mode For.
  • Choose a Windows version from the drop-down list.
  • Set other options. ...
  • Click OK.

I used Windows 8. Seems faster.

 
 
 
 
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1 minute ago, acm2000 said:

tried all this before, doesnt make that much of a difference unfortunately, installing windows 7 seems to be the only way round it which is very frustrating.

Have you tried running in Windows 7 compatibility mode? before I waste any more time.

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yep, along with run as administrator, disable full screen optimisations etc etc all the usual tricks for apps that arent properly coded for newer windows.

Microsoft changed something between windows 7 and 8 which broke the software unfortunately.

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5 hours ago, acm2000 said:

yep, along with run as administrator, disable full screen optimisations etc etc all the usual tricks for apps that arent properly coded for newer windows.

Microsoft changed something between windows 7 and 8 which broke the software unfortunately.

We are fucked then.

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19 hours ago, Michael said:

I was looking to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 but don't think I'll bother for now, though sooner or later Windows 7 will be defunct and we'll have no choice!!

Vistool developers need to pull their fingers out!

Windows 11 is on the way.... I'm still using Windows XP with my Roland EGX300

 

 

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  • 3 weeks later...

I always felt the default glass settings were way overkill on the Umarq

I use -

Depth/Chip 2.00

Feed 0.3

Speed 12000

I can get around 30 jobs from a drag diamond...however I specalise in pretty detailed images so I think I could get around 60/100 jobs out of each tip if it was a line of text only.

until recently I only had a Gem-CX5 but i picked up an old Rotation S which I now use for most of my glass work. 

If they took the best parts of both machines in my opinion you would have virtually the perfect diamond engraving machine.

The selecting and resizing is my biggest gripe with Vistool....running on Windows 10...I only got my Umarq 2 years ago so never ran it on anything else, but I am dissapointed with the performace at times concidering its hooked up to a desktop rig that can still run the latest videogames at medium detail but can't resize a drawing.

From a software design perspective the change that would make all the difference in my opinion is to switch resizing and moving a selected element to a bounding box. The problem is Vistool is rendering every drawn line with those slection lines everytime. thats ridiculous. just put a bounding box round the selected element and be done with it.

Also .PDF import would be amazing, when I got my machine I w as told the new version of Vistool (which I assume never saw the light of day) was going to have .PDF imports.

I use EngraveLab on the Rotation S and its a different level in terms of optermisation compared to vis...so much faster...also has an amazing .PDF import system.

One area Vistool does trump EngraveLab is on the Curved text tool...that is amazing in VisTool!

John

 

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Its taken me around 2 years but I'm finally settled on using the 120 drag. though I keep a .003 for use on some work.

There is a difference depending on glass, the 120 is more susceptible to slight flaking especially around thin lines. For example I have some helicopter artworks I've drawn and to represent a spinning rotor I made thin lines and they tend to get abit ragged with a 120 drag unless its been bedded in and is well within its service life. Text generally no issues...unless the tip is on the way out.

I also found with the 120, unlike the .003 it takes a couple of jobs to bed in, I found with a brand new tip it would chip abit along the lines but as soon as it dulls off, after a job or two its basically as good as a 4 facet .003...at least the untrained eye won't notice it.

Oh and never mix materials with your 120...make sure to keep it only for glass....I've been there too many times :)

I had a long chat on the phone regarding this with Matt Blackman formerly of Mastergrave recently. He confirmed my own finding there is an improvement between a 120 drag and .003 4 facet but its minimal, you also have to account for the difference in quality between tips and manufacturers etc. He also sells an 8 facet glass cutter, which is premium quality but also a premium price. Id quite like to try one for the crack but right now can't justify it.

 

 

 

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