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Yes they should be the same using Genuine blanks not sure about the copies though the cylinders have been modified a couple of times to stop copies working.

It won't be an issue for long as the new Ultion WXM cylinders start to replace the standard Ultion and this time they have  patented the blanks so it will only be Ultion Stockists that will be able to supply these as only genuine blanks will be available.

 

https://www.ultion-lock.co.uk/wxm/

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2 hours ago, grahamparker said:

Yes they should be the same using Genuine blanks not sure about the copies though the cylinders have been modified a couple of times to stop copies working.

It won't be an issue for long as the new Ultion WXM cylinders start to replace the standard Ultion and this time they have  patented the blanks so it will only be Ultion Stockists that will be able to supply these as only genuine blanks will be available.

 

https://www.ultion-lock.co.uk/wxm/

Are these new ones definitely patented?  I see they use the word "trademarked". not patented.  Same thing?

"The trademarked WXM key profile makes it harder for counterfeit keys to jam the lock."

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7 minutes ago, abababa said:

Are these new ones definitely patented?  I see they use the word "trademarked". not patented.  Same thing?

"The trademarked WXM key profile makes it harder for counterfeit keys to jam the lock."

They are trademarked i used the wrong word but it means that the blanks cannot be legally copied so it amounts to the same thing.

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trademark noun noun: trademark; plural noun: trademarks 1. a symbol, word, or words legally registered or established by use as representing a company or product. Trademark is for logo's etc. Keys would need to be patented to stop other manufacturers making them.

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Dave,
A lot of keyways are now being trademarked instead of patented. Mauer MLS was the first that i know of.

Basically , the keyway is shaped like the name of the manufacturer or the name that they trademark. Cisa C3000 is the best example of this.

By doing it this way, the keyblank will always be restricted, as long as they keep paying the trademark fees. Rather than a patent that runs out eventually.

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4 hours ago, keySolutions said:

Dave,
A lot of keyways are now being trademarked instead of patented. Mauer MLS was the first that i know of.

Basically , the keyway is shaped like the name of the manufacturer or the name that they trademark. Cisa C3000 is the best example of this.

By doing it this way, the keyblank will always be restricted, as long as they keep paying the trademark fees. Rather than a patent that runs out eventually.

I believe that the Cisa SP was one of the first to use the name as the profile shape or vice verse.

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On 7/10/2019 at 12:53 PM, grahamparker said:

Yes they should be the same using Genuine blanks not sure about the copies though the cylinders have been modified a couple of times to stop copies working.

It won't be an issue for long as the new Ultion WXM cylinders start to replace the standard Ultion and this time they have  patented the blanks so it will only be Ultion Stockists that will be able to supply these as only genuine blanks will be available.

 

https://www.ultion-lock.co.uk/wxm/

The blanks not got a pat on it but the key way spells wxm & they have something on that so the eys can't be copyed 

 

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15 minutes ago, Jc.locksmiths said:

The keys are massive really thick compared to the ultion key the price per blank is going up as well to over £2.25per blank

 

But as they are thicker there will be more depths to make it more difficult to pick open.

Price of the blanks is fine by me as we will just increase our prices to match.

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20 hours ago, grahamparker said:

I believe that the Cisa SP was one of the first to use the name as the profile shape or vice verse.

Interesting , i didn't know that. That would be a long time before the Mauer MLS.
Looked it up in the catalog: " Key is protected by Shape trademaker B02004C000170"

That explains what one of our suppliers told me recently. A blank manufacturer (I think Errebi , but not sure anymore) released blanks for Cisa SP, but they had to pull them from the market almost immediately. 

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Does anyone know what the bottom key, the one this is actually cut is called and if it is available. 

I hope this is not a thread jack but thought if I post here it may help others too.

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 The one with cuts is Brisant Ultion key , Graham Parker (on this forum) can cut you as many as you want; cut to photo and cut to code at trade price and fast delivery.

The blank is KEYLINE CA62 (SILCA CS62) blank to cut  Cisa Astral key and it is not correct key blank for the Ultion key in the photo. 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, lock&quay said:

I've been told that Nigel Rose supplies the genuine Brisant  blank .

"NRMS will only sell Ultion Key Blanks to customers that support the product.

If you do not support the product we can supply keys cut to code."

 

whatever that means (to them)

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39 minutes ago, lock&quay said:

I've been told that Nigel Rose supplies the genuine Brisant  blank .

I would doubt they sell them to anyone who is not an authorised stockist.

I have 500 + blanks in stock and will only sell cut keys to code NEVER the blanks.

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