Ian platt Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 Starting to get asked for these keys 11s 12 s and 13 s anyone supplying the original blanks and can anyone supply cut to code thanks I n advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkybob Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 only Brisant sell the original blanks, and they will only supply to brisant agents. Graham on the forum is a Brisant agent and will cut to code for you give him a shout. Very good fast service from Graham. Bob DC77, grahamparker and Gray 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 Graham Parker. Nearly always next day delivery and super cheap. Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian platt Posted February 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 Thanks will do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pee Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just had a U14 Ultion in, Is the U14 profile the same as U12 & U13? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 Yes they should be the same using Genuine blanks not sure about the copies though the cylinders have been modified a couple of times to stop copies working. It won't be an issue for long as the new Ultion WXM cylinders start to replace the standard Ultion and this time they have patented the blanks so it will only be Ultion Stockists that will be able to supply these as only genuine blanks will be available. https://www.ultion-lock.co.uk/wxm/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abababa Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 hours ago, grahamparker said: Yes they should be the same using Genuine blanks not sure about the copies though the cylinders have been modified a couple of times to stop copies working. It won't be an issue for long as the new Ultion WXM cylinders start to replace the standard Ultion and this time they have patented the blanks so it will only be Ultion Stockists that will be able to supply these as only genuine blanks will be available. https://www.ultion-lock.co.uk/wxm/ Are these new ones definitely patented? I see they use the word "trademarked". not patented. Same thing? "The trademarked WXM key profile makes it harder for counterfeit keys to jam the lock." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, abababa said: Are these new ones definitely patented? I see they use the word "trademarked". not patented. Same thing? "The trademarked WXM key profile makes it harder for counterfeit keys to jam the lock." They are trademarked i used the wrong word but it means that the blanks cannot be legally copied so it amounts to the same thing. abababa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the locksmith Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 trademark noun noun: trademark; plural noun: trademarks 1. a symbol, word, or words legally registered or established by use as representing a company or product. Trademark is for logo's etc. Keys would need to be patented to stop other manufacturers making them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keySolutions Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 Dave, A lot of keyways are now being trademarked instead of patented. Mauer MLS was the first that i know of. Basically , the keyway is shaped like the name of the manufacturer or the name that they trademark. Cisa C3000 is the best example of this. By doing it this way, the keyblank will always be restricted, as long as they keep paying the trademark fees. Rather than a patent that runs out eventually. grahamparker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 W X M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 These look cool. i always loved the MINIT key. Thought it was so clever, now there’s gonna be loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 4 hours ago, keySolutions said: Dave, A lot of keyways are now being trademarked instead of patented. Mauer MLS was the first that i know of. Basically , the keyway is shaped like the name of the manufacturer or the name that they trademark. Cisa C3000 is the best example of this. By doing it this way, the keyblank will always be restricted, as long as they keep paying the trademark fees. Rather than a patent that runs out eventually. I believe that the Cisa SP was one of the first to use the name as the profile shape or vice verse. Simes and keySolutions 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jc.locksmiths Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 12:53 PM, grahamparker said: Yes they should be the same using Genuine blanks not sure about the copies though the cylinders have been modified a couple of times to stop copies working. It won't be an issue for long as the new Ultion WXM cylinders start to replace the standard Ultion and this time they have patented the blanks so it will only be Ultion Stockists that will be able to supply these as only genuine blanks will be available. https://www.ultion-lock.co.uk/wxm/ The blanks not got a pat on it but the key way spells wxm & they have something on that so the eys can't be copyed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jc.locksmiths Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 The keys are massive really thick compared to the ultion key the price per blank is going up as well to over £2.25per blank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jc.locksmiths said: The keys are massive really thick compared to the ultion key the price per blank is going up as well to over £2.25per blank But as they are thicker there will be more depths to make it more difficult to pick open. Price of the blanks is fine by me as we will just increase our prices to match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkybob Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 How many letter combinations could there be that are short enough to be a profile and must be the same when the key is turned over.cant be that many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keySolutions Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 20 hours ago, grahamparker said: I believe that the Cisa SP was one of the first to use the name as the profile shape or vice verse. Interesting , i didn't know that. That would be a long time before the Mauer MLS. Looked it up in the catalog: " Key is protected by Shape trademaker B02004C000170" That explains what one of our suppliers told me recently. A blank manufacturer (I think Errebi , but not sure anymore) released blanks for Cisa SP, but they had to pull them from the market almost immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathews Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Does anyone know what the bottom key, the one this is actually cut is called and if it is available. I hope this is not a thread jack but thought if I post here it may help others too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Brisant Ultion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exp121260 Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 The one with cuts is Brisant Ultion key , Graham Parker (on this forum) can cut you as many as you want; cut to photo and cut to code at trade price and fast delivery. The blank is KEYLINE CA62 (SILCA CS62) blank to cut Cisa Astral key and it is not correct key blank for the Ultion key in the photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lock&quay Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 I've been told that Nigel Rose supplies the genuine Brisant blank . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYKeys Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, lock&quay said: I've been told that Nigel Rose supplies the genuine Brisant blank . "NRMS will only sell Ultion Key Blanks to customers that support the product. If you do not support the product we can supply keys cut to code." whatever that means (to them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 39 minutes ago, lock&quay said: I've been told that Nigel Rose supplies the genuine Brisant blank . I would doubt they sell them to anyone who is not an authorised stockist. I have 500 + blanks in stock and will only sell cut keys to code NEVER the blanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lock&quay Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 I've been advising the customer to change the cylinder especially if they never wanted a restricted lock in the first place & that's worked well for me .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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