abababa Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Hi all, Got this key in. The customer has lost the main key and has this plastic key as a spare. It has the chip it it and it works the bike. The Miracle A9 will not decode it as it wont fit in the correct position in the clamp so i tried to decode it by eye. I have very limited experience in this but as theres only 3 potential cut depths i decided to give it a go. The key that i cut looks different but i notice the A9 does this on magnum keys etc and they still work... or i may have decoded it incorrectly? I entered 1233-3211 Anyone any advice? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abababa Posted October 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 yea... i managed to sell a key dude as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowardK Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 I think key as to be metal to decode as plastic does not conduct electricity, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abababa Posted October 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 I think key as to be metal to decode as plastic does not conduct electricity, yea, I know... I tried to decode it manually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowardK Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 did the key you cut work ?? a dial caliper will decode your cuts as it appears to be a fresh key though plastic Kris Polan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowardK Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 your plastic key looks to be code # K7461 B axis/top 1233 A axis/bot 3211 the key you made may or may not work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abababa Posted October 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 No the key didn't work. It didn't clamp in the miracle quite right as the shoulder could not go into the correct position by a fraction, so maybe that was the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 Cut perfect on a Silca Triax. Key Number K7369 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abababa Posted October 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 Cut perfect on a Silca Triax. Key Number K7369 Hi Graham, Im going to send off for one. Do you think it is k7369? Whats the difference between that and K7461? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 K7461 gives me cuts of 1123 3313 I'm certain it is K7369. So not the same code as for the plastic key in the photo. Pm me your address and i'll pop one in the post for you. abababa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 also you could use the lishi bm9 pick and decoder to pick and decode the key to confirm cuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silcaltd Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 This is a 4 track key And the distance from shoulder to first cut is not the same for both axis. 3.6mm from shoulder to centre of 1st cut for axis 1 and 5.9mm from shoulder to centre of 1st cut for axis 2. You have all the info you need from GP's picture of Silca software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 Decode it incorrectly earlier, i have just cut one for a customer and the code should be K5201. 1233 1321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfern Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Has anyone tried ressing tin foil into the key blade for the machine to read? Asking more out of curiosity than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaloti Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Or maybe spaying the key silver ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Easier to cut a depth key you can use it for manual measuring as well as the cut positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfern Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Or maybe spaying the key silver ? Gold? Silver? As long as it's a metallic based paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Metallic is no good, it needs to be conductive. http://uk.farnell.com/bare-conductive/epaint-pen-10ml/electric-paint-dc-pen-black-10ml/dp/2510616?CMP=KNC-GUK-GEN-SHOPPING&gross_price=true&mckv=YO18ZYDl_dc|pcrid|78108376509|&gclid=CjwKEAjwj92_BRDQ-NuC98SZkWYSJACWmjhlQklqYcj1kcagqmrIiZsFxV0Bwuhn81lTF4pkjrYobRoCnU7w_wcB&CAWELAID=120173390001619091&CAAGID=14406255429&CATCI=pla-41477300408&CAGPSPN=pla Lock Stock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockdecoders Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Graham is correct and none of that will work. Key needs to be from right to left and use the end spacer. Go and select the correct key and press the cut or decode picture and will change from left to right to right to left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abababa Posted October 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Graham is correct and none of that will work. Key needs to be from right to left and use the end spacer. Go and select the correct key and press the cut or decode picture and will change from left to right to right to left. Hi Lockdecoders, Is there a problem cutting the bw9 key on the miracle a9? I tried it 3 times. The cut does look quite different (as per the photos in the original post) Got NW keys to cut me one and the cut looked the same as the original key and it worked grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaloti Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Metallic is no good, it needs to be conductive. http://uk.farnell.com/bare-conductive/epaint-pen-10ml/electric-paint-dc-pen-black-10ml/dp/2510616?CMP=KNC-GUK-GEN-SHOPPING&gross_price=true&mckv=YO18ZYDl_dc|pcrid|78108376509|&gclid=CjwKEAjwj92_BRDQ-NuC98SZkWYSJACWmjhlQklqYcj1kcagqmrIiZsFxV0Bwuhn81lTF4pkjrYobRoCnU7w_wcB&CAWELAID=120173390001619091&CAAGID=14406255429&CATCI=pla-41477300408&CAGPSPN=pla Wet paint Lock Stock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abababa Posted October 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Go on. I'll bite. Spend £15 on a digital calliper, 15 minutes googling how to use it, and 15 seconds to look at the series on Instacode. How anyone can struggle with such a basic key is beyond me, I can decode the thing by eye from a crap picture viewed on my iPhone. Come on guys this is child's play, if you were struggling with a HON66 I agree they are hard to measure but this is easy. Hi Locksafe... I can see this frustrates you just a weee bit? I guess my point is i spent muchas monies on a digital machine which is fully calibrated (to do this job for me) and the key looks completely different. Just wondering why. p.s - what comes easy to you may not come easy to another...i bought a digital caliper out of lidl a few weeks back and when i do learn to use it my question will still be the same. Why doesn't my key look the same, and why doesn't it work if the machine is calibrated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Southern Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 I find myself agreeing exactly with what Warren is saying ! That's unusual. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abababa Posted October 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Open Instacode and type in the key blank, it will then list all series for that blank, take a look at the "card" number, each card number is the same D&S information regardless of how many series use the same card. The basic information in Instacode firstly shows the blank width, measure the key you have and compare the width of the blank in hand to what Instacode claims the blank should be (almost always different but don't worry about that yet) You would then look at the spacing, let's say the first space is 250 from the shoulder, you would measure 2.50mm from the shoulder and that's where the first cut should be, measure the width from the edge at that point to the cut depth (IC will have a picture) Let's say that it measures 6.40mm and your depths in IC are 650 and 610, remember a key wears smaller so always go for the higher of the two (650 in this case) if it's a copy key you have then it may have been cut badly so that may not work. Going to try this next week. Thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaloti Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 It's a brave new world Neal. Class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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