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you could be right in the fact it is not legally binding and yes I have heard it said that Cameron does have a veto ,however if he chooses to go down that road I believe it would be the end of him , he did state on national tv that he will do whatever the people decide so that leaves him with no get out of jail free card

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Scotland has voted in favour of the UK staying in the EU by 62% to 38% - with all 32 council areas backing Remain.

Well that just about sums up the Scottish, now Britain should have a vote to throw out Scotland. tee hee


if that happens Graham, any chance of a job? as i'd be looking to leave Scotland to the Scottish Nazi Party and get the hell out 

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I see "Poundsterlinglive.com" has crashed (no pun intended!) I think next month we will hold a referendum on a remain or delete of members outside of Briton.


My 13 year old son has a difference of opinion to me on this subject & has been texting me back & forth all morning with statistics & facts. I've been googling & countering....... I think I might be in a class room debate lol

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this is soooo funny


If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.


Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.


carry on!

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.........still in europe

what a waste of time and money!

carry on!



and is T. May puts in the notice after 31st December we will be paying BILLIONS more.

the common sense thing to do is put the notice in by the end of the year!

were all mad for letting these MPs treat us like kids and waste all this countries money

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The economic fallout hit home today.


A kaba back to back 1000 digital lock cost £864.00 approx at Aldridges on Friday. Today it costs £954.31.


These are retail costs by the way.


Glad i ordered the one i needed on friday.


Assa Abloy will be assimilating a company near you soon and eventually they will achieve world domination. They have just taken over papaiz so watch the price double overnight.

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