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I was looking at this nice shoe in Jones's and it appeared that the stitchline was protruding beyond the actual base of the shoe. I checked the other sizes of the same shoe on display and all seemes the same.

Surely the the stitches will get worn down and break way too fast, long before the sole needs replacing?

In Marcels videos the stitches are deep inside the sole and he even tucks them in under the flap.

 

These shoes were not cheap even with the sale reduction price so I was wondering what was going on here, e.g. these stitches are just for show and something else will hold the sole on, apart from the glue?

I really wanted to buy them :(

Harry.

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A common question from the public this one "Will my soles fall off when the stitches have worn through".

1st things first, Jones the Bootmaker has a very good reputation to uphold and would not be selling/making shoes that would be coming back as complaints if the soles came apart.

2nd It is not the stich loop on the top of the shoe that holds the sole onto the welt on a "New" shoe, but the thread that lies within the sole itself. This is a proccess of the Goodyear manufacturing technique that allows all parts to move against one another. There is a solid wax which is liquid when the stitches are being formed that solidifies when cold, this holds the threads within the sole.

 

A common Repaired sole will be stuck on with Adhesive before being stitched, the Adhesive alone should be capable of holding the sole to the Welts so the stitches are an extra strength bonus. Manufacturers do not use this method as it can detract from the original concept of movement between the parts. Also very few Repairers have the facilities for heated wax on Stitching machines, the new (supposedly better)machines do not have this facility. It is a very messy proccess.

 

If you are considering Stick-on-Soles please instruct your repairer to avoid scouring the Stitches and to put on a light a sole as possible.

To ensure your guarantee remains valid I would ask your Jones Retail manager to recommend a local repairer that they use, with the option of them having the work done for you. Just to cover legalities that is as there have been thousands of cases over the years of denial of responsibility once a shoe has had these stick on soles fitted (a get out clause for many).

Personally I would have them fitted to combat the effects of the British weather, along with a Water Repellant on the Uppers. Nothing ruins a good shoe more than water/salts damage.

 

All purely my own thoughts of course.

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The welted footwear sold under the brand of 'Jones' are usually made by Cheaney's. They groove their shoes before stitching but normally make a much shallower groove than the repairer. Therefore, the stitches will be closer to the surface.

 

However, looking closely, as I can, at the image in the first post, the groove is set quite a long way in from the side of the sole. This would suggest to me that the shoes may actually have 'mock welts' and have been 'blaked' with a small stitch length. I could be wrong but these are just my thoughts. Not all shoe's sold by Jones are English made :?

 

Keith

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I doubt wether the soles would lift after the stitches wear through, but it is possible. Its easily recitified by a good repairer. I personally wouldn't fit Stick on Soles...If I wanted rubber bottomed shoes then I'd buy rubber bottomed shoes

 

If you like the shoes buy em !! you have got your statutory rights to complain if they don't live up to expectation.

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I doubt wether the soles would lift after the stitches wear through, but it is possible. Its easily recitified by a good repairer. I personally wouldn't fit Stick on Soles...If I wanted rubber bottomed shoes then I'd buy rubber bottomed shoes

 

If you like the shoes buy em !! you have got your statutory rights to complain if they don't live up to expectation.

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hugh i have said this once before and will say it again the wax on the stitch does help but is not the reason for holding the sole on when the stitch is worn through its the knot that is formed by the 2 threads when the stitch is done this is why it is called a lockstitchif you doubt what i am saying then carry out this test get a pair of goodyear welted shoes and remove the sole without cutting through the knot then try and pull the remaing stitch with the knot intact through the welt i bet you cant

as i said in the lounge planet "oh double shit"

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We are both right elfman, for without the wax the knot and thread will pull through.

If it was only the knot then the sole would drop off after it gets half worn through on the stitch line as the knot wears through. Though I refer to it as a loop not a knot ( cant remember doing that knot in the boy Scouts :D )Dib dib dib :)

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hugh i have said this once before and will say it again the wax on the stitch does help but is not the reason for holding the sole on when the stitch is worn through its the knot that is formed by the 2 threads when the stitch is done this is why it is called a lockstitchif you doubt what i am saying then carry out this test get a pair of goodyear welted shoes and remove the sole without cutting through the knot then try and pull the remaing stitch with the knot intact through the welt i bet you cant

as i said in the lounge planet "oh double shit"

 

Elfman, OK thanks. I have seen a diagram somewhere of the knot being used and can visualise this, I see whats going on now. That end bit of the loop hanging out the bottom of the shoe is in fact redundant, right??

Harry.

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