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Morning everyone its been a while now since the Keyline Ninja Total , JMA Muliticode, and Silca Futura Pro has come out,

any updates on which would be the best machine to purchase would really help.

i did have a couple of demos JMA and Keyline, JMA went well Keyline went not so well

thanks in advance 

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I've recently did a A/B on the Futura Pro & had it sat right next to the Keyline . What I like about the key line was that it worked better with Instacode It's considerably cheaper But what I really don't like about it is that when cutting a key it does it in one pass ,not great if cutting a hard steel key with deep cuts or any key having said that .One of the suppliers reps have told me that this can not be altered & that the motor is strong enough to deal with it ?  In my opinion I don't believe that they know what they are talking about . I've contacted Keyline Head office & suggested that it could just be a software update & they agreed & are looking into it .If they do update it I'd go for the Keyline . I was put off the JMA machine because it won't work with Instacode . I also don't like the idea of paying for updates on the Silca machine .

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instacode didnt cost 9k , but it does indeed cost to keep up to date , i have instacode for 15 years , so the cost to buy outright and then the 2 updates per year every year for 15 years , so does cost money to keep up to date .

my ninja laser gets updates free for the life of the machine , however if wanting to run with instacode then instacode must be up to date which has a cost twice a year.

ive not had to pay for an update on my viper to date either and had this for 14 years if memory right and 10 years on the back of a van , best workhorse investment i made .

i cant fault either of these machines , though my older viper i suspect will outlive the rest of my machines .

 

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My mate has the Ninja & Futura next to each other ..I think the Silca has slightly better build quality , But the ninja is faster & works better with Insta code & is easier to make up a new card .the quality of the cut key on both is the same .I've been offered 10% off on both , Personally I don't think that's a great deal as I'm not Vat reg , I want at least 20% or a deal with stock/equipment .I have a Silca Viper with Edge Kit  & if I was only doing cars that's what I would recommend It's a superb machine .

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19 minutes ago, Michael said:

my business doesn't warrant the outlay!!

I thought that years ago when i first bought the Unocode 399 but it was the best decision i have ever made in business which is why 2 years later i made the bigger gamble on the Traix e-code and again it has paid off massively, if it does not work out it will still have some value attached to it even if you sell it on a couple of years later.

On Monday this week my Unocode would not turn on, checked the fuses and they had blown fitted new ones switched on and got a massive bang. My heart sunk.

Rang Matt @ Silca he advised it would be the line filter/power switch which arrived on Wednesday and fixed the machine. It proved how much we use the machine by the amount of work we had stacked up for it when it powered up again.

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I very rarely need to cut to code, in fact, I can't remember the last time I thought I could've done with a cut to code machine!

I have Silca Bravo Pro, Matrix SX and Lancer Plus to copy all I get asked for so don't see where I would get anything from spending thousands on one, but please do give a good reason to at least think hard about it. As I said, I love a gadget!!

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On 8/25/2018 at 1:16 PM, Michael said:

I very rarely need to cut to code, in fact, I can't remember the last time I thought I could've done with a cut to code machine!

I have Silca Bravo Pro, Matrix SX and Lancer Plus to copy all I get asked for so don't see where I would get anything from spending thousands on one, but please do give a good reason to at least think hard about it. As I said, I love a gadget!!

I use mine for building master key systems , car lock outs as I don't offer a call out service but quite often the customer can get the key code ,I sell Iseo cylinders & the key code is on the head of the key & that's handy for lock outs as I tell the customer to put the code on their phone, re pinning locks/padlocks  , Lost keys for garage doors & car roof top boxes , School lockers etc .

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On 8/25/2018 at 2:16 PM, Michael said:

I very rarely need to cut to code, in fact, I can't remember the last time I thought I could've done with a cut to code machine!

I have Silca Bravo Pro, Matrix SX and Lancer Plus to copy all I get asked for so don't see where I would get anything from spending thousands on one, but please do give a good reason to at least think hard about it. As I said, I love a gadget!!

 

We cut a lot of keys to code for the technical department of town. They have this awesome guy that can even recognize most common key blanks. They come in once or twice a week with a list of codes.
Schools seem to need a lot of keys cut to code just before the start of the school year.
We get quite a few roof racks and trailer hitches. Most use the LF12 blank and have a code on it.
A lot of garages and dealerships come to us to get car keys cut. They order the blanks from their brand and get them code cut. It's faster like that.
Making a key to a lock is so much easier if you can cut it to depths.
No more fiddling to clamp a broken key in your machine.

The software lets you find an unknown key blank by looking up the code. 
And of course , master key systems.

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