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Just recently I've noticed an increase in customers coming in for dimple keys, at the moment we only do the normal cylinder and mortice keys, I'm thinking of investing in a dimple machine but just trying to work out the cost / sales, are the dimple keys going to become more and more popular? And what sort of price point should they realistically be? A friend of mine had some made (they had to be ordered) and the cost was £25 for 1 or £40 for 2

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Thanks for all the responses, probably looking into getting the RST Mustang or the HD Punto, will these cut the Yale dimple keys as a few we've been asked to cut are the Yale ones?

Also what prices do people charge for dimple keys to be cut? I see the blanks are quite a bit dearer and I'd imagine that the cutting will take a lot more time as well

Thanks in advance

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13 hours ago, lock&quay said:

I'm really pleased with my RST Mustang , still looking for best cutter to use on the  Magnum/Yale dimple cuts though ,

I have got SKS ones which supposed to be specific cutters for  Magnum/Yale Dimple cuts but the shafts of both the cuter and follower too thick and not fitting in the machine properaly? anyone experienced slimier issue with SKS  F49,T49 cutter and tracer? any alternative cutter and tracer available from other suppliers?

From your experience  which cutter and tracer you mostly use for BRISANT ULTION dimple cuts and are you always use the included  Multi-lock clamps for BRISANT ULTION keys or just use the normal machine jaw. 

 

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3 hours ago, Homecare said:

Thanks for all the responses, probably looking into getting the RST Mustang or the HD Punto, will these cut the Yale dimple keys as a few we've been asked to cut are the Yale ones?

Also what prices do people charge for dimple keys to be cut? I see the blanks are quite a bit dearer and I'd imagine that the cutting will take a lot more time as well

Thanks in advance

I seem to be getting close to  the same situation as you, looking at mustang, hadn't thought about punto, but might. You don't seem to be getting much input on price but I'm thinking {,and budgetting at } they will be in the £12-£20 selling price. Still not there yet, but as some one said on this forum, " it's not just about that  sales, it also about offering an additional service". I think it was Simes.

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I bought the Mustang as there are still a lot of keys I have been getting that need new cutters/jaws/adapters for my Triax and the mustang is a cheaper way to start then if I get to see a lot of them I will buy the adapters/ciutters for the Triax. The Mustang is a Great machine highly recommend it. I am getting lots of the new Trimark caravan key in at the moment and the Mustang has coped with them easily.

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48 minutes ago, cowers lane 583 said:

I seem to be getting close to  the same situation as you, looking at mustang, hadn't thought about punto, but might. You don't seem to be getting much input on price but I'm thinking {,and budgetting at } they will be in the £12-£20 selling price. Still not there yet, but as some one said on this forum, " it's not just about that  sales, it also about offering an additional service". I think it was Simes.

Totally agree, we started off with just a cylinder machine, then added a mortice machine and this seems like the next logical step, the things that are worrying me is the time it takes to cut one blank (which I would imagine is a while) and the fact I might need different cutters etc for doing different blanks?? I'm totally new to these dimple keys and wouldn't know where to start :)

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2 hours ago, kobblers said:

If you want to discuss prices, I'll move this topic to the trade section.

Let one of the mods know.

Rick.

Hi Rick 

Thanks for that, I'm probably going to purchase whichever machine I decide on through Davenport Burgess as that's who I use now for my other machines and blanks etc, I'm more looking for advice on machine recommendations and things I should be aware of such as different cutters / jaws / adaptors that I would need to purchase on top of the machine cost ;)

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I have the RST & Punto   , I have the punto  set up for mainly the laser cut on the magnum & the RST for the dimple cuts ..At the moment I use the Iseo  R6 cutter .as that also covers the multi lock Garrison as well as others ... I was about to get a computerised machine but having second thoughts as it looks like I can do them quicker with my existing machines from what I've read .     I'd recommend looking at a HPC blitz for your next machine for cutting keys from code maybe .  

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17 hours ago, Homecare said:

the things that are worrying me is the time it takes to cut one blank (which I would imagine is a while) and the fact I might need different cutters etc for doing different blanks?? I'm totally new to these dimple keys and wouldn't know where to start :)

I would recommend the Mustang, can't fault it and it has helped us expand the amount of keys which we can do. As with any new machine, cutting keys on it will be slow while you get used to it but as we found eventually cutting keys like ISEO R6 now takes less than a minute to do. The Mustang is also a great machine as it comes with lots of cutters and adapters as standard so you won't need to worry about shelling out more money for extra adapters. The pictures are from the manual that say which adapters and cutters are included.

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7 hours ago, The Worksop Heel Bar said:

I would recommend the Mustang, can't fault it and it has helped us expand the amount of keys which we can do. As with any new machine, cutting keys on it will be slow while you get used to it but as we found eventually cutting keys like ISEO R6 now takes less than a minute to do. The Mustang is also a great machine as it comes with lots of cutters and adapters as standard so you won't need to worry about shelling out more money for extra adapters. The pictures are from the manual that say which adapters and cutters are included.

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Brilliant, thanks for that ;) it's good to see the manual etc, what's involved in doing automotive keys? It's something we've always stayed away from with the coding issues etc 

 

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20 hours ago, lock&quay said:

I have the RST & Punto   , I have the punto  set up for mainly the laser cut on the magnum & the RST for the dimple cuts ..At the moment I use the Iseo  R6 cutter .as that also covers the multi lock Garrison as well as others ... I was about to get a computerised machine but having second thoughts as it looks like I can do them quicker with my existing machines from what I've read .     I'd recommend looking at a HPC blitz for your next machine for cutting keys from code maybe .  

Cutting from code? I don't think we're that advanced yet :) I wouldn't even know where to start with that! These dimple keys are looking complicated at the moment :) bring back normal cylinders and mortice keys and a good set of files ;)

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We honestly don't do a lot of car key programming as we are in the middle of a pedestrianised high street and most of the keys we get need the car present for programming ( we use the 884 Ultegra). We do a lot of car key fob repairs which is another good area to go into. The only car keys we have trouble cutting are the Honda blanks, have tried a few times on the Mustang and have yet to get it right.

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56 minutes ago, The Worksop Heel Bar said:

We honestly don't do a lot of car key programming as we are in the middle of a pedestrianised high street and most of the keys we get need the car present for programming ( we use the 884 Ultegra). We do a lot of car key fob repairs which is another good area to go into. The only car keys we have trouble cutting are the Honda blanks, have tried a few times on the Mustang and have yet to get it right.

They are a pain even on the Triax when they customers key is worn so it is more an issue with the key rather than the machine.

Luckily when we decode a customers key it will tell me if it relates to a valid key number if it does not i know it is incorrect and this can save a lot of time cutting a key that won't work.

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9 hours ago, The Worksop Heel Bar said:

We honestly don't do a lot of car key programming as we are in the middle of a pedestrianised high street and most of the keys we get need the car present for programming ( we use the 884 Ultegra). We do a lot of car key fob repairs which is another good area to go into. The only car keys we have trouble cutting are the Honda blanks, have tried a few times on the Mustang and have yet to get it right.

 

8 hours ago, grahamparker said:

They are a pain even on the Triax when they customers key is worn so it is more an issue with the key rather than the machine.

Luckily when we decode a customers key it will tell me if it relates to a valid key number if it does not i know it is incorrect and this can save a lot of time cutting a key that won't work.

I'm probably going to stop away from car key cutting and programming, one less headache to have in a small shop :)

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5 hours ago, Growster said:

I have started to use an old toothbrush for cleaning old dimple originals with a bit of WD40. My impression is that this yields better copies.

Just have to make sure I don't mix it up with my regular toothbrush

Thanks for the top tip, you haven't copy wrote the idea have you? I think a new toothbrush (beggar the expense) will be my first purchase with the machine ;)

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