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The pro is a lot better than the original Futura Rick, you will need a lot of adapters to cut keys like yale superior and so on great machine but can be slow on certain keys.

You still won't be able to cut Brisant Ultion and Avocet/Cisa Astral to code unless you can get the cutting cards unlocked by being a stockist.

Get to Lockex show at the Ricoh arena and have a demo of the machine.

http://www.lockex.org/

8th to the 10th June.

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Are the adapters expensive, Graham? We have to decide whether there's a market for one of these machines in our town before we make an investment.

What machine will do the Ultions, Astras, etc?

 

Cheers. Rick.

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11 hours ago, da miller said:

i have a futura and still cut on manual machine

too many adpts not cost affective

look elsewhere

This is true, i have spent over £5000 on jaws and cutters for my triax over the years and it looks like i am going to need some more soon.

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22 hours ago, kobblers said:

Are these machines any good and what keys do they currently do? What keys can't they do?

Cheers. Rick.

Hell of an outlay Rick when Graham will get them to you next day.  I wouldn't even think about investing in anything now at my age. I struggled with myself to buy a new hole punch last week...... :-D:-D

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On 16/03/2018 at 11:55 AM, kobblers said:

What machine will do the Ultions, Astras, etc?

I use a A9 for all of the above at the smaller branch. Most jaws are about 300 - 500 each when you need them. Which is cheap considering the silca prices.  Is it as quick as a triax...not a chance in hell, but it's no not in the same price range. A great little machine you might want to look at if your looking at the silca pro.  

I can't compare the A9 to a Silca pro as i haven't used one but i would say the only problem i have with the A9 is the jaw the standard cylinder keys can be a real bitch some times to hold smaller keys & if i was to cut a eps/dtec... thicker key sort of keys i would run them through twice to make sure they where cut right.  I use a Unocode 399 for cylinder keys & the A9 for the dimple/lazer if cutting by code. 

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On 3/16/2018 at 11:52 AM, grahamparker said:

The pro is a lot better than the original Futura Rick, you will need a lot of adapters to cut keys like yale superior and so on great machine but can be slow on certain keys.

You still won't be able to cut Brisant Ultion and Avocet/Cisa Astral to code unless you can get the cutting cards unlocked by being a stockist.

Get to Lockex show at the Ricoh arena and have a demo of the machine.

http://www.lockex.org/

8th to the 10th June.

Grahams point here about not being able to cut Brisant Ultion and Cisa Astral is only half correct. Even with the card locked you can copy from an original, its just the code series is locked so you couldn't cut a key from just the code. However if someone walks in with a Ultion / Astral key they want copied you can do this fine and make good profit.

Grahams point about the pro being a lot better than the original is bang on, it's a lot quicker for a start.

We find the Futura Pro is a great machine for someone is looking to cut more keys (be it vehicle, dimple, security, code to code etc) but isnt in the situation to buy lots of different machines for all the different types of keys. It's a jack of all trades if you like, and because you are asking one machine to cut a lot of different things you do have to change the jaws and cutters quite a bit to be able to do this. 

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You still cannot cut Avocet ABS without the card unlocked and you need to be able to source the keyblanks which are only available as far as i know from Avocet direct.

Ultions i would NOT cut without using genuine blanks again only available from Brisant.

That was mainly my point i have experimented with copy blanks on Ultion and the success rate is very low compared to 100% with genuine blanks so you really need to become stockists to do the job properly.

 

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39 minutes ago, Auto Key Wizard said:

I have decoded and cut over 20 Brisant Ultion keys with Futura using BRS1R with no issue, both 6 and 11 pin

Yes but you are the last of Marvels superheroes... And you write in blue.

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1 hour ago, grahamparker said:

Ultions i would NOT cut without using genuine blanks again only available from Brisant.

We cut them to cut for customers on a mixture of genuine and Silca BRS1R and have had no problems.

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On 19/03/2018 at 12:57 PM, grahamparker said:

Well Brisant insist that the new stock coming out now will not work with BRS1R and all the other copy blanks.

Yes this true. I got in the new shape (U12) & tried an original (U11) & it gets court on second flute. Having looked at BRS1R profile in it does show to still have this flute. The question is how long till they bring out an updated blank to fix this problem?  

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Sent my future back after a few weeks of grief. Don't know if we had a Friday afternoon m/c but it was constantly falling over.

Bought A A9p from peter at Lockdecoders.

A great little m/c for us in the shop. Plus the support is spot on.

 

 

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On 16/03/2018 at 11:22 AM, kobblers said:

Are these machines any good and what keys do they currently do? What keys can't they do?

Cheers. Rick.

looked at one when unicode died and almost got a futura but no it  looked poor as had issues 

 i use the keyline total machine and never let me down which is a great machie choice ! 

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I use a HD Punto & RST mustang  for all of these , Although I did break a cutter today trying to rush the laser cut on a Yale Superior , & after doing the angled cuts I follow up with vertical cuts . Ref the Brisant keys I haven't had any back since using the new JMA key blank .  I have a friend that has the Silca Futura  & has also just got the Ninja & prefers The Silca  Because when Cutting hard metal keys like the Anker slot The Silca takes a layer at a time & the Ninjas just digs straight in .

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