Flash Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 Just changed adhesives and noticed the new one contains "Toluene", I understood this had been phased out. How concerned ought we to be about this chemical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShoes Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 It’s a great solvent and makes a great adhesive, but it's not great for your health. Personally I wouldn’t use it again without fume extraction. Out of curiosity, which glue did you use before and what are you using now? keithm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Air-Flo kobblers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted February 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 It’s a great solvent and makes a great adhesive, but it's not great for your health. Personally I wouldn’t use it again without fume extraction. Out of curiosity, which glue did you use before and what are you using now? Used Bondfast and Bostick 50/50 changed to Tek 950 and Bostick 6092, contains Toluene "only use outdoors or in a well ventilated area" (working out on the pavement is not much fun) Tek 950 " Do not use below 18c" I thought Toluene had been phased out.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 https://www.algeos.com/filemanager/msds_block/NEW%20MSDS%20DATA/Bostik%20Unigrip%206092%20%28Neoprene%20Adhesive%29.pdf couldnt find safety data for the other carry on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShoes Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Tek 950 and Bostik 6092 are both rubber/leather glues, so if you don’t want toluene, you could ditch the 6092 then stick with the 50/50, tek 2020 or renia syntic for PVC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 For the last 36 years i have never used Gloves, Eye wear or any form of protection against use of glue other than a well ventilated area. Wonder if it will effect my lifespan in someway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShoes Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Since I got rid of toluene from the shop, I don’t get headaches anymore. Still tired all the time though, guess that’s down to the rock and roll lifestyle of a cobbler rather than the glue keithm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShoes Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Air-Flo I would like one, but unless I redo my entire shop, I don’t have room. Out of interest, how much do they cost and how often do the filters need changing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 From £1950 + Vat depending on spec, with or without our 465A activator. They are only 50cm wide and 75cm deep, are you sure you don't have room? The filters need changing annually, but it depends how much you use the device Once you smell yoghurt in the morning they need changing!!! http://www.standardgroup.co.uk/shoe-repair-machines/air-flo-adhesive-fume-filtration Keith kobblers and windycity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 The last time i smelled yoghurt in the morning it ended up involving antibiotics. Damn that trip to Amsterdam............. Rick. grahamparker, Mike at Vauxhall and keithm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted February 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Getting rid of 6092 asap, stopped using 50/50 (supply problem) Trying Renia, What does yoghurt smell like? Tek 950 and Bostik 6092 are both rubber/leather glues, so if you don’t want toluene, you could ditch the 6092 then stick with the 50/50, tek 2020 or renia syntic for PVC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windycity Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Its funny i find renia smells stronger than 6092. i get no headaches unlike earlier post. HarryHeffernan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryHeffernan Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Its funny i find renia smells stronger than 6092. i get no headaches unlike earlier post. Same here. Renia gave me bad headaches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbcas Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 I have the windows & door open even in winter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 we dont pre solution anymore and i find that cuts glue sniifing time down we too work with doors open and extractor fans to the outside lots of old cobblers knocking about who used stronger glue than us with no airflow systems im sure others are available from other shoe repair suppliers lol carry on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_ Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 I've just changed to Supercolle Neo from Colledges on price grounds. (6092 £50 odd, Supercolle £31) Having read this post i've just checked and it also contains Toluene. I too thought it had been made illegal or been recommended to be removed. It seems pretty decent adhesive but low and behold i have a stonking headache today!.....Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted February 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Still trying to work out the true hazards of Toluene, feel it's best avoided at this moment in time, I have a duty of care to my staff, as well as myself and family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 So, is there a decent rubber solution out there that doesn't contain Toluene plus doesn't dry up in the hopper within a few days? Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShoes Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 I’ve no complaints with Renia and it seems to keep in the pot better than 6092 Superfix is good if you want to keep separate rubber and plastic glues. Otherwise Colle De Cologne is really good once you’ve got used to the slightly different ways of using it Multi Colle is the same as Colle De Cologne but with a shorter open time. It’s good if you do a lot of while you wait jobs but if you work on several pairs at a time you can miss the ideal open time I’m sure there are others as well but they’re the ones I’ve used most since I ditched Tolulene kobblers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShoes Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 If you’re keeping with the usual way of doing things and having a separate plastic glue, just go for superfix otherwise you’ll just be wasting money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 I find Colle de Cologne goes really thick and un-spreadable in the pot if not used within a couple of days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Any second opinions on Superfix before I switch to it? Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Who makes, supplies Superfix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShoes Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Renia make it. Birch and T Colledge sell it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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