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Hey guys,

 

I would like to ask you for opinion. I'm starting my business - key cutting, duplicating, ...

 

I'm thinking to purchase CNC key cutting machine SEC-E9 (

). What do you think about this machine? Would it be good enough for the beginning? I don't really understand the fact, that the key I'm going to duplicate, needs to be supported on the machine system (what if it isn't - machine can not read the original, cut the copy, or both)? If I'm gonna read the original key, and then cut the same blank key - why does the key need a support in the system (machine read needed information from original, and cut the blank - I don't see the point of the fact, that the key must be supported?)

 

I'm not sure, If I need to use same blank as original. You think I could use blank from other provider, with same dimensions like the original key?

 

I would really appreciate any answer.

 

Thank you very much in advance!

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Anything wrong with that? I just want to hear opinion from different people.

 

If I get back to questions:

 

- do you think, it would be better if I buy Miracle A7 machine (only for car keys), and another machine (not CNC) only for other keys (Tubular Key, Dimple key, Single Standard key ).

 

Costs would be probably the same...

 

Third option is, to buy Miracle A9 machine,... but in this case, costs are x2.

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Locksafe, thank you very much for your comment. I appreciate it.

 

I already watched Condor cutting machine, and it looks good for me...

 

Where do you recommend to buy it? Are there copies on the China market?

 

But as I see, it supports cutting only car keys... What do you recommend for other keys?

 

Thanks in advance for your answer.

 

Aljaz

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A9 then. The genuine one.

 

If you are looking for a chinese copy of a chinese made Condor that may be a step in the wrong direction!!

 

Whatever it is you buy there is never anything as good as the genuine article. My best advise is spend your money wisely. If you buy your equipment from a reputable supplier you may pay more but you will know what you are actually buying, you will get support, updates and spares.

 

If you buy a copy of the A9 I bet it will not do everything you expect it to, and there will be absolutely nothing you can do about it.So you may very well be wasting your money even if it is actually only half the price of the genuine article. Many of those websites use the photo of the genuine machine and then send you copy. Also nothing you can do about it.

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I think you understand me wrong.

 

I am not asking for china copies,because I would like to buy them... I just want to be sure to buy genuine article if you advice me that...

 

Can someone please tell me, where to buy genuine machines for reasonable price?

 

Now I'm a bit confused because of that different answers... I think I wasn't clear on the beginning. I need a machine for cutting car keys, and even other keys. A9 can do that, Condor cant't,... But I can buy another machine for other keys (not CNC) - which one you recommend in that case?

 

And btw, my budget is 3.000 €.

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locksafe thanks for your reply.

 

I think I would search for Blitz Switch 2nd hand machine and when I will start earn money with it, I would then search for Condor machine.

 

Anybody know where to search for 2nd hand Blitz Switch? Is there someone on the forum who's selling it? :)

 

Regards!

 

Aljaz

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There is nothing wrong with a Blitz , I started with one & a HD punto lazer machine , I now have a Silca Viper , But still use the Blitz & punto . Any computer driven machine is going to have to make a lot of keys to pay for it self .

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I recently purchased a sec-e9 machine from China.

The order was placed on 18/6/2017 and i received the machine on 11/8/2017.

The problem was that the machine got stuck somewhere in China for around a month.

But guess what........that is not all!

I unpacked properly, put the machine to the plug and a miracle happens!!!!! It does not work!!!

After days of conversations and videos back and forth, the problem was accepted by the manufacturer and guess what the problem was.

The around 2.000 euro machine, is based totally on a 80 euro tablet which is actually the screen that you see.

So, this amazing tablet, was dead!!!

But the fun does not stop here........the seller accepted to send me another tablet to replace the default one and of course.......asked from me to pay and the customs charges!

Guess what was the reply when i mentioned that i disagree with the extra cost.

"Normaly i should be charged for the software that they would install in the tablet, eventhough the machine is in warranty" but in my case they make an exception!!!

I haven't cut a single key yet, i do not know how the machine performs but for me, the fact that the heart and brain of this machine is a cheap tablet, which i consider consumable, makes me think that this machine is not reliable to trust a part of my incone to it.

Can you pkease guide me for a reliable machine which can cut all the types of keys?

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Caveat emptor springs to mind.............

 

Let me ask those of you who are buying or considering buying a Chinese copy: how would you feel if you designed something only for somebody to steal your idea and make money off it? After all, when you're buying these dodgy knock offs, that's exactly what the Chinese are doing and they don't even offer after-sales support after stealing somebody else's intellectual property.

 

If you encourage these robbing bastards, then you're guilty of undermining people and jobs in this country who have worked damn hard to create the modern machinery that we all benefit from,  just to save a few quid - shame on you.

 

Go with UK suppliers, you won't go wrong!

 

Rick.

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Well said Rick and thanks Mario.

Tech support is where it comes.

 

An example was we delivered a brand new machine to Mario. On delivery it was faulty which is rare. We immediately delivered him another machine.

 

We have found various dealers selling the SEC-9 key cutting machine which a total rip-off of our Miracle A9. This is plain and simple intellectual theft. Of course, one can be cheaper if one does not have to do the research, product development, prototyping and software development. One can be cheaper if one does not have to carry spares, consumables, offer our famous two year warranty and our unequalled technical support and continuous updates. There are far too many Chinese fakes of all sorts of locksmith equipment. What is more when you go on line to communicate or update how do you know who is now accessing your computer? Be warned.

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Of course, one can be cheaper if one does not have to do the research, product development, prototyping and software development. One can be cheaper if one does not have to carry spares, consumables, offer our famous two year warranty and our unequalled technical support and continuous updates. There are far too many Chinese fakes of all sorts of locksmith equipment. What is more when you go on line to communicate or update how do you know who is now accessing your computer? Be warned.

 

:smt038  :smt038  :smt038  :smt038

 

Rick.

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First , to answer your questions: if the key is not supported by the machine , there will be no way to decode that key to duplicate it. There may be a on-the-fly mode for normal cut keys , but laser and dimple wil not have such options.

 

You don't need to use the same blank as the original key. Most key blank manufacturers offer cross-references that guide you what blank to use. 

Just be carefull with Chinese automotive blanks , these can be made from a much harder metal that can fork up your cutters.

 

Second , i personally would strongyl recommend that you do NOT buy that machine.

It may be cheaper than an original device , but repairs , service and updates are going to be nearly impossible.

Also , there is almost no resale value.

Instead , i would recommend that you look for a used machine from a reputable brand. The Miracle A9 , Silca Futura , JMA Multicode or Keyline Ninja Total are all machines with similar capabilities. Finding a used one , if possible from a distributer , makes most financial sense. You will have better acces to support , cutters and updates.

 

Some of your posts give me the impression that this would be the only machine you would buy. I would recommend against that. A simple mechanical key duplicator for cylinder and automotive (not laser) key is a small investment , and will pay for itself. It should be the logical first tool.

 

After that , a mechanical dimple (and laser) key duplicator may be the next device to buy. I believe these will become commonly available on the used market , because of all the all-in-one machine currently sold.

If you're in the UK , a bit key duplicator should also be high on the wish list. There are machines that combine bit and cylinder key cutting. That might make sense if

 

If you should invest into "specialty" key machines (Abloy / Tibbe , tubular , ...) depends on the demand in your area. Some shops may have no demand for tubular , but if your town happens to have a Harley dealership , they will be pouring in. 

If you are still just starting the business , this will problably be too early to tell. 

 

 

Hey guys,

I would like to ask you for opinion. I'm starting my business - key cutting, duplicating, ...

I'm thinking to purchase CNC key cutting machine SEC-E9. What do you think about this machine? Would it be good enough for the beginning? I don't really understand the fact, that the key I'm going to duplicate, needs to be supported on the machine system (what if it isn't - machine can not read the original, cut the copy, or both)? If I'm gonna read the original key, and then cut the same blank key - why does the key need a support in the system (machine read needed information from original, and cut the blank - I don't see the point of the fact, that the key must be supported?)

I'm not sure, If I need to use same blank as original. You think I could use blank from other provider, with same dimensions like the original key?

I would really appreciate any answer.

Thank you very much in advance!

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If you should invest into "specialty" key machines (Abloy / Tibbe , tubular , ...) depends on the demand in your area. Some shops may have no demand for tubular , but if your town happens to have a Harley dealership

 

Or is near a seaside resort where arcades are full of machines fitted with tubular locks.

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