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#1 bristolcobbler

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 09:10 PM

keep getting letters from prs saying i need a license to play music in the shop,today had a phone call saying do we play music and been told we need to pay £110 for the license,i always thought that radio station played royalties to pop acts.i
think it a scam have anybody else had this problem or have you paid it. told the lady i didnt want a license and then she said you better unplug your radio then the smug cow. ](*,)

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 09:29 PM

If the customers can hear the music then you are broadcasting to the public and as such need a licence..
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Posted 20 March 2009 - 10:06 PM

If the customers can hear the music then you are broadcasting to the public

As I see it,
If the audio is coming from the radios internal speaker which is sited in a non-public (workshop) area, it is not classed as broadcasting to the public,
but if this same radio has external speakers wired from it & those are sited in a public (shop/retail floor) area, then it is classed as broadcasting to the public.

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 10:32 PM

I have done a bit of reading on this the last few weeks, and it appears the grey area is the term "public" broadcast. It appears that the word "public" is undefined in law so is open to interpretation, so if your interpretation is different to the PRS (performing rights society) then you might have a case.

its also cheaper (again unconfirmed) if your radio is a portable one & not one with speakers up on the wall, so a suggestion that the noise they are hearing is from your small portable "might" save you some money.

I also heard that they can claim back payment, so if you are about to get a licence, remember you have only just got your music player.

I think the FSB are trying to clarify the law with relation to the PRS radio licence & even youtube has pulled music from their site because of the PRS demands. so I think there will be some clarification of the law soon.

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 07:36 AM

does it mean that the people that walk round with ipods etc, that have the music so load others can here, must have this licence too??????, i aint got a radio anyway :^o :^o ,, :-$
scumbags should be culled

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 08:09 AM

you will find the prs dont just define public as customers, it is your staff as well. they do claim back payment but that is included in the 110. next year is cheaper.

its a git though, we paid even though our little radio has valves in it
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Posted 21 March 2009 - 09:11 AM

:? I listen thru my pc in my back office...so i don't have a radio. I wonder where they stand on that :?
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Posted 21 March 2009 - 09:34 AM

I listen to Talk Sport and am supposed to pay this license on the off chance they play an advertising jingle that has music in when a customer comes into my shop!!!! #-o #-o #-o

Sounds like the same type of robbery as the tv license to me :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 10:16 AM

http://www.prsformus...ti ... f RS.pdf
Scroll down to page 2
It's cheaper
but still a rip off

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 08:48 PM

This has been on all forums its legal and its not only PRS there is another lot that can also claim I think its PPL. If it can be heard by anyone else your in - there is no defence at the moment but big fines. If they have phoned you they will have recorded the call and the music which if its from a radio they willl date stamp. dump the radio before they call.
Some members of ICL and MLA have had visits and fines.
If you have an earepiece in thats OK but H&S may well choke to death on that one

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Posted 24 March 2009 - 08:53 AM

I'm sure i read on there website that they cannot cold call and fine but have to make an appointment to visit..... :-k

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Posted 24 March 2009 - 11:19 AM

I had a couple of letters which I ignored, then I had a phone call, fortunately i'd put their number in the phone so when caller display flashed up PRS i stuck the finisher on full pelt answered the phone told them to hang on because i couldn't hear them. They asked was i workshop based, i said no sole trader, small shoe repair shop, no staff with machinery running most of the day so i could not hear a radio anyway, and they said that would be the end of the matter. I'll wait and see. :^o

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 02:05 PM

Just had a my phone call from PRS,

call being recorded for traning purposes, have you heard of us, etc etc

I said I am not making a "public" broadcast & asked what the definition of that was & very quickly she said "are you a sole trader there" "then you won't need to make a payment & this would be logged for future reference" & was gone within seconds.

Only regret is I didn't get it in writing!

Get the definition of "public" if they kick up, it worked for me......

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 09:30 PM

grey area?
if you play a transistor radio in you r premises you have to pay fees(min)
if you listen through your computer then you pay more as the machine has greater capabilities to playing other types of music, mp3 and so on.
beware!
carry on!

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 08:30 AM

have you got one hibs? ay
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Posted 23 April 2009 - 08:50 AM

grey area?
if you play a transistor radio in you r premises you have to pay fees(min)
if you listen through your computer then you pay more as the machine has greater capabilities to playing other types of music, mp3 and so on.
beware!
carry on!


This is taking the piss :evil:
Tax tax tax this is all this country is now :evil:

I pay nearly £5000 a year business rates and still have to pay towards christmas lights and flower beds if we want them as the council won't pay anymore. Just paid £2600 in Vat and now might might have to pay to listen to radio 2. Haven't I already paid for that with the riduculas TV License ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
Do they want the shirt off my back too :?:

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 02:50 PM

I was with a customer today who has had his 'phone call'. He queried the fact that he only listens to sport! There reply was that they play jingles on the stations occasionally and the crowd sing along sometimes at the game :?:

What the f**k are we coming to in this Country :evil:
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 12:07 PM

i just had a chat with my neigbour who has had 'a visit' from these people, he now has a bill of £225-00 - he was asking me how i got on with them as the guy who 'had him' called at my shop after his.
i dont know any thing about it - even though i was at the shop the day of the call, onlything i can think is as my shop is so small if the repair machines were on you could not hear the radio at the back -
fingers crossed!


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Posted 08 June 2009 - 07:18 PM

just had a chat with my neigbour who has had 'a visit' from these people, he now has a bill of £225-00 - he was asking me how i got on with them as the guy who 'had him' called at my shop after his


spoke a little too soon,
week after this, i had my call.. my staff talked to guy on counter - machines on, he asked if we had a radio. my staff knowing (f' all about all this) said Yes - you can guess the rest!!
i contacted them, they asking for £65-00 which is ok by me, except my neighbour informs me he paid his to the PPL, and now the PRS have also contacted him apparently you have to pay BOTH! , he paid £265-00 and now thay want more which now he has switched his radio off .. biggest rip off i have ever heard of! -


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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:13 PM

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Did you get any letters or phone calls prior to your'e visit. This is their number they called me on 01425 481400. If you have call display log it in. If it rings stick your machines on. Lee if this is out of order to show this number feel free to remove it. You ain't seen me roight!! :-$
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